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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's libido - apparently they just don't know why it disappears?! WTAF?

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Triffid1 · 13/04/2021 10:35

This article re women's sexuality and covid has been annoying me since I read it yesterday. In summary, they start by saying everyone thought we'd al be having loads of sex in Covid but it turns out we weren't and then it turns out that women's libidos are the reason. Then the article goes on to discuss how men's libido stays consistent throughout a relationship/time but that women's libido drops off.

These two paragraphs in particular sort of sum up how the article (and the experts the reporter is talking to) is considering the issue:

"Both start their relationship with similar honeymoonish levels of desire. But a year on and women are already disengaging. The fall in interest drops off several cliffs at the five and ten-year marks. Women are twice as likely as men to lose desire in long-term relationships. Of particular relevance to lockdown: those women living with their partners were more likely to lose interest than those in distanced long-term relationships."

"There are several ways to interpret these findings. One is that women have a limited amount of sexual drive, that they spend early on in any relationship and then the cupboard is bare. The other is that women crave sexual variety, a view that is supported by recent evolutionary theory that early human females, while pair-bonded, were frequently unfaithful in ways that maximised their offspring’s genetic advantage."

Then there's this:

"[quoting an expert on a study] "We found that when men were in a relationship with a woman they were much less likely to report masturbation. It was completely the reverse for women, who masturbated more when in a relationship with a man. The whole idea about masturbation being a substitute for partner sex, which has been around a long time, seems to be supportive for men, but for women not at all.”

"Graham says that they are not really sure why women masturbate more in heterosexual relationships, and also why they often do this in secret."

And then there's quite a lot of chat that maybe it's because the sex is bad (in a relationship).

This article has really really annoyed me. Did no one stop to think that maybe the reason women are less interested in sex is because of what's going on in the relationship? That maybe, in the early days, it's all sunshine and flowers and romantic gestures but even a year in, all those women suddenly find themselves doing more? More cleaning, more cooking, more mental thinking? We all know studies show that women in long term heterosexual relationships do more household tasks than any other group. After even just a year, I bet you that the lovely man who planned a gorgeous romantic weekend away in week 3 has already stopped thinking about all holidays and weekend breaks and it's falling on the woman? And that' before we even get to the childcare.

As for lockdown - again, studies have already told us that women were doing more. That they were bearing the brunt of the homeschooling and home management while still trying to work. That they were the ones up late at night worrying about the mental health impact on their children or dealing with the DC's tantrums and tears because they missed their friends. Men weren't doing this. So are we surprised that women didn't exactly feel like getting a little sex in ?

As for the bloody masturbation thing.... well, I can't speak for other women but maybe it's because women DO want orgasms but quite frankly, don't want the time, effort or other touch? Or even the need to think about someone else? I didn't even have to do the homeschooling thing but I can tell you that by the end of the day, I was touched out. I don't want someone touching and kissing me.

Tell me it's not just me? This entire premise that libido is completely separate from all the other stuff that goes on in life and that women's libido just mysteriously disappears blows my tiny little mind.

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Therewereroses · 13/04/2021 20:50

"roll over and snore like a big lump right after the act"

Therewereroses · 13/04/2021 20:55

Oh, and having a man who also takes pride in his appearance and has a fit body is also a contributing factor. My most recent sexual encounter was utterly awful. He was an older man, with a bit of a gut and very bad asthma. He was like a dead weight squishing me and then wheezed like an old sheep with croup from the exertion. Awful and was never repeated. I suppose I could have got up off my arse and got on top, but I couldn't be arsed these days as it's not a position I have ever derived pleasure from.

Therewereroses · 13/04/2021 21:02

And one last thing, do not expect me to want to be bounced on after I've had a 4 course meal and a bucket of gin. Take me out for a light meal, followed by drinks. Make me feel like the only woman in the room. Show some damned interest! Occasionally touching me during the evening (not mauling me), just a fleeting hand at my back, or touching my leg makes me feel good.

So there you have it! I'm not easily pleased it appears!

Therewereroses · 13/04/2021 21:03

Phew! That has been therapeutic! I've never given it so much thought before!

Therewereroses · 13/04/2021 21:10

For reference, I am 40. Young adult dc not living at home.

BillMasheen · 13/04/2021 22:37

Once the first few passionate dates are out the way they move in together (almost always within a year) and are both completely content to curl up in bed with a cup of tea, a good book and never pester one another for sex again unless they've had white wine or it's someone's birthday

Tbh i think that sounds rather wonderful.

I can genuinely see why a lot of bi women have heterosexual relationships earlier in life then appear to ‘Turn gay‘ as they get older.

SwanShaped · 14/04/2021 08:53

therewereroses sheep with croup! Such a good description. And totally repulsive.

Booboobadoo · 14/04/2021 10:09

@GettingUntrapped

I've been in around five relationships lasting one or two years. Each time, I go off them sexually and start to feel as erotically charged as if it was my brother. Urg. The same didn't happen on their side. I know what I feel and don't lie to myself, but society is uncomfortable with it.
I've found similar. I go off sex with the person I'm with after about 18 months. I've read about this, think it's quite common?
RadandMad · 14/04/2021 10:29

I had a high sex drive, but during prolonged breastfeeding I had zero libido. Same when menopause kicked in. (I was expecting that, especially as my mother experienced the same.) So it feels clear to me it was largely related to reproductive cycle. Have to say I don't really miss it. It's left me with much more creative headspace for other things.

Summerhillsquare · 15/04/2021 07:11

Quality. All too many men don't know anything about womens bodies and show no interest in learning. I think this is one of the reasons women are less keen on casual sex, its likely to be crap!

Salixflamingo · 01/08/2023 11:41

BillMasheen · 13/04/2021 22:37

Once the first few passionate dates are out the way they move in together (almost always within a year) and are both completely content to curl up in bed with a cup of tea, a good book and never pester one another for sex again unless they've had white wine or it's someone's birthday

Tbh i think that sounds rather wonderful.

I can genuinely see why a lot of bi women have heterosexual relationships earlier in life then appear to ‘Turn gay‘ as they get older.

Sorry to revive this old thread.. Was searching for posts relating to my current life situation and I just love this post.

Maybe after our baby making and youthful man hunting urges, a lot of women would be happier shacked up with another woman!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/08/2023 11:43

I would bet money, lots of money, that women's desire to have sex with men is directly linked to how much of a chore-dodging man-child she's living with

From personal experience, can confirm. In the end it was just another chore.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/08/2023 11:44

Oooh, sorry, didn't realise it was a zombie.

WickedSerious · 01/08/2023 14:04

Up there with one of those 'hold the front page' type articles informing us that the menopause lasts longer than three months.

DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 14:37

Hmm, nine years together, but no kids and fairly equal degrees of housework-dodging… sexual desire for each other definitely hasn’t diminished, in fact it’s really weird to me when I occasionally notice a celebrity or something and remember it’s theoretically possible to be attracted to other men. Frequency has declined a little bit and the amount of energy we put into it has had a similar slight decline. It’s almost never routine, it nearly always feels like there is some new dimension to it. So I suppose that helps.

SmokedDuck · 01/08/2023 15:00

I don't really find this that odd. "What's going on in the relationship" is something contained within the things they are talking about. But it's an individual level way of putting it.

SmokedDuck · 01/08/2023 15:01

And FWIW< i think that women's libido is pretty variable for a lot of other reasons. Having kids tends to kill it for a while which might be relevent with the one year element.

TeiTetua · 01/08/2023 18:47

DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 14:37

Hmm, nine years together, but no kids and fairly equal degrees of housework-dodging… sexual desire for each other definitely hasn’t diminished, in fact it’s really weird to me when I occasionally notice a celebrity or something and remember it’s theoretically possible to be attracted to other men. Frequency has declined a little bit and the amount of energy we put into it has had a similar slight decline. It’s almost never routine, it nearly always feels like there is some new dimension to it. So I suppose that helps.

Well now, there's something profound--women may resent a man who dodges housework. But if they're an equal pair of skivers, there's a key to domestic happiness and blissful sex. Sod the cleaning, let's jump into bed!

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