British Cycling Consultation on Transgender Policy

[lorisparkle]

Thought this might be of interest

www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20201009-British-Cycling-publishes-Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Participation-policy-0

[Legba]

Thanks - info for the consultation survey.

[Defaultname]

I've been watching an episode of the old children's show 'Woof!'

In it, 11-year-old Rachel Hobbs, played by Sarah Smart, wins a mixed-sex cycling competition. After the race, the announcer is heard to say that this is the first time that a girl has won the race. I'm assuming that that would have been true at that period, but either way, it doesn't require a great deal of suspension of disbelief that Rachel won, given her age.

Her efforts are encouraged by her friend Eric Banks, played by Edward Fidoe. Eric sometimes changes into a dog.
That requires a bit more suspension.
I wonder if I could sell the idea to British Cycling?

[Saltyslug]

support the Transgender or Non-Binary Participant with their choice of changing facilities

^^ so basically ignore the equality act and legislation around single sex spaces

[GNCQ]

It doesn't require a great deal of suspension of disbelief that Rachel won, given her age
So someone called Rachel wins a mixed sex cycling race... Were they writing a premonition?

[Defaultname]

Can a follow-up series were Eric continually transforms into Rachel be long delayed?

[Defaultname]

Telling truth in UK sport system 'very dangerous', says wheelchair rugby CEO
Questioning UK Sport was seen as ‘betrayal of Team GB’
David Pond says those raising concerns risk marginalisation. www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/29/telling-truth-in-uk-sport-system-a-very-dangerous-thing-to-do-says-pond

" the CEO of British Cycling at the time, who started her presentation with the words: ‘The story of the GB cycling team over the past decade is one of unparalleled success on the sporting stage,’ whereas in my presentation I questioned the ‘stained brand’ of British Cycling and the wider cost to the individuals themselves,” he said.
Since then British Cycling’s reputation has become further tarnished with its former chief doctor Richard Freeman struck off after being found guilty of buying testosterone knowing it would be used for a rider, along with allegations of misappropriation of resources.

However, Pond pointed out that it was not obvious that British Cycling had received any sanction as a result and it was still one of the largest recipients of UK Sport and Lottery monies."

Drugs, eh? Tsk.

[hoodathunkit]

So sorry to post and run, I have a load of data to post on various threads bit this thread connects with some others and I just wanted to share something

Readers may find this tweet interesting
twitter.com/emilychappell/status/1356261036211531776

The tweeter, Emily Chappell, is a fairly well known cyclist

She has encouraged people to donate to Mermaids (I archived her tweet in case it disappears)
archive.is/zmdjS

Readers may be interested to know that Emily Chappell has used an aka Emily Chapps for some reason on the website of Everyone's Invited where she works as Creatvie Director (archived links)

archive.is/wQI34

archive.is/93nrY

so sorry, no time to post more, just wanted to share a network connection

which should come as no suprise to anyone

lots of capture going on as we should expect

[Quadzilla]

Emily Chappel is an amazing long distance cyclist, won the trans continental one year. She’s also a lesbian so why she’s so into gender ideology, I do not know. I’ve loads of respect for her but the pronouns in bio on Twitter are now a major red flag for me.

[megabass]

That does'nt look like Emily Chappel on Everyone's Invited. Emily Chapps is a different person.

Disappointed with Emily Chappel - her book I own has now gone in the bin.

Everyone's Invited is not an initiative that will benefit women and girls. Don't get involved. There's probably a thread about this separately.

Emily Chappel is not a friend to women or cycling and I'm sad and angry.

[CaveMum]

There’s a podcast called The Game Changers which is about women in sport. I haven’t listened to it for a while but apparently the latest edition features a high profile lesbian footballer who is discussing advocating for “social justice issues” and is described as an LGBTQ activist. I daren’t listen to be honest as we know which way it’s going to go...

[Biscuitsanddoombar]

If it’s Jess fishlock, she’s a stonewall champion and full on with the whole agenda

[Leafstamp]

Just filled this in. Thanks to those who posted their answers, I used a combination of them and my own views.

There may be some other useful inspiration here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4206745-Rugby-RFU-seeking-feedback-on-its-transgender-policy

Please do fill in this consultation too if you haven't already.
fairplayforwomen.com/rfu-transgender-policy-proposal/

[andyoldlabour]

I just had a conversation with a guy on another forum about boys/men competing in girls/women's sport. I pointed out the obvious physiological advantages the male body has over the female one.
Then he came back with - "what about the girls with higher testosterone levels than the others"
I explained about comparitive T levels and the effect of going through a male puberty.
He came back with - "well, I would put people's mental health above people's right to play sport"

So, there you have it. Destroy girl's/women's sports, just so some guys can feel better.

[Leafstamp]

@andyoldlabour

I just had a conversation with a guy on another forum about boys/men competing in girls/women's sport. I pointed out the obvious physiological advantages the male body has over the female one.
Then he came back with - "what about the girls with higher testosterone levels than the others"
I explained about comparitive T levels and the effect of going through a male puberty.
He came back with - "well, I would put people's mental health above people's right to play sport"

So, there you have it. Destroy girl's/women's sports, just so some guys can feel better.

That response about mental health and right to play sport makes as much sense as some other posters around these parts that I’d better not name!

[GonadTheGaul]

@andyoldlabour

I just had a conversation with a guy on another forum about boys/men competing in girls/women's sport. I pointed out the obvious physiological advantages the male body has over the female one.
Then he came back with - "what about the girls with higher testosterone levels than the others"
I explained about comparitive T levels and the effect of going through a male puberty.
He came back with - "well, I would put people's mental health above people's right to play sport"

So, there you have it. Destroy girl's/women's sports, just so some guys can feel better.

Except he means mental health for male people. Women and girls are not 'people', because if they were, their rights to mental health (and physical health, and fair sports competitions) would also matter.

He's saying male mental health is more important than women's and girl's right to play sport

[IDontOnlyLikeJazzFunk]

He's saying male mental health is more important than women's and girl's right to play sport

I wonder if he would say the same if forced to compete against people who had a significant and unfair advantage over him?

[andyoldlabour]

"He's saying male mental health is more important than women's and girl's right to play sport"

That is exactly what he was saying. I replied that as far as I am concerned, if a boy has mental health issues which means he wishes to spoil it for all girls, then he needs specialist help, instead of expecting the girls to step aside.

[Quadzilla]

Just realised one of my comments had been deleted for mentioning P York’s previous career. Is it unreasonable to talk about one of Britains greatest cyclists?

[Biscuitsanddoombar]

The way we have to tiptoe around things is so frustrating Quadzilla

PY is only on that group because of their previous career but we’re not supposed to acknowledge of their life history but behave as if they sprung fully formed into life in their 30s.....

[Leafstamp]

Pippa York used to be a man known as Robert Millar.

If that is anymore offensive than saying I was Miss Stamp before I was Mrs Leaf. Or that humans were all stardust before we were born then I just don’t know what has become of this world.

[Tamingofthehamster]

The mental health argument is so frustrating. What do you think it does to girls’ mental health if they train hard for years, get to the top of their game, only to have try and be competitive against males.

[OwningAllMyMistakes]

@megabass

That does'nt look like Emily Chappel on Everyone's Invited. Emily Chapps is a different person.

Disappointed with Emily Chappel - her book I own has now gone in the bin.

Everyone's Invited is not an initiative that will benefit women and girls. Don't get involved. There's probably a thread about this separately.

Emily Chappel is not a friend to women or cycling and I'm sad and angry.

Really you’ve thrown a book in the bin because of Emily Chappells right to support what ever cause she likes when she likes that’s petty tbh

[OwningAllMyMistakes]

@Quadzilla

Just realised one of my comments had been deleted for mentioning P York’s previous career. Is it unreasonable to talk about one of Britains greatest cyclists?

No of course not just talk about the better ones Nicole Cooke,Lizzie Deignan,Victoria Pendleton,Marianne Vos.

[OwningAllMyMistakes]

As a full member of British Cycling and British Triathlon and have recently been sent a questionnaire from British Cycling and completed and returned back to British Cycling.
As I was out on an Audax ride today I had time to ponder this dilemma of trans women or men competing in cycling.
In my own opinion on this I don’t believe any trans women should be allowed to compete unless they have had gender confirmation surgery,how anyone would approach this is probably a difficult issue.
And if that’s not possible then any trans women competing would fall into WADA & UKAD testing and this falls into the same for any competitive cyclists.
The issue isn’t for me about trans and advantages as there aren’t any advantages for any trans women in sport as they aren’t likely to gain any sponsorship as let’s remember sponsorship isn’t easy to gain and the media isn’t something trans women would want.
The issue is about riding clean and we only have to look back to the 90s with major championships and titles being won with the advantages of doping and using testosterone and those titles being removed from competitive cyclists.
And think about the state sanctioned female athletes of Eastern Europe who were given testosterone regularly, it’s a damaging hormone and I believe trans women would do anything the effects of it not harness it for mere competition.

[Quadzilla]

I’m genuinely interested why do you think it’s ok for a transwoman who has had surgery to compete in women’s sport?
How does it make them any less male?