Is anyone else genuinely fearful that their GC views will become public and they will face disciplinary in their job?

[OhDear2200]

I’ve just had a frantic panic where I stupidly followed a link from my Twitter account to sign up for a professional webinar giving my work email address. It would not take anyone any time to link my GC Twitter views to my work.

Can’t believe how stupid I was!

But it’s crazy. I’m sat here panicking that I could face being sacked or receiving a serious ticking off (publicly) because I want women’s views and voices to be heard.

Now I know it’s unlikely to happen (I’ve deactivated my account) as it would take some effort. And I don’t know if the link to signing up to the Webinar would link it to my Twitter account.

Am I the only one who genuinely is fearful of their views coming out?

@gardenbird48

It is so scary isn't it? Thankfully I am self-employed but I had a major panic when I liked a gc post on social media from an account that had my business name on it. I had to shout to the kids to help me delete it . Now I am totally locked down and anon as much as poss.

I have a family member who works for a major woke company who has felt that he genuinely can't say anything when his daughter was bumped out of a championship squad in her sport by a biological male who was allowed to compete with the girls.

This major injustice has happened (and is likely to happen again) to his daughter and he cannot speak out because he feels that his job is at risk. How wrong is that??

It's absolutely atrocious. Feel so sorry for your colleague and his daughter. Surely the tide has to turn on this nonsense???

@Viviennemary it’s not personal if that makes
sense, so say I had come across it via work it would be perfectly acceptable to sign up for it, as CPD. I just found it via my Twitter account.

But yes stupid.

I don't worry at all and I work for the NHS! Most of my colleagues know my views and it has come up in conversation with the doctors that, although I'm respectful, I absolutely refuse to use the English language incorrectly and mis-sex someone. There was a bit of a surprised/irritated "OK, well that's up to you I suppose", from one of them and the other one (who is a friend) tells me to be careful on social media (I exclude him from any gc posts now), but it hasn't been an issue since.

Appreciate am very fortunate to not have to worry too much, as DH is the main earner and I'm in a PT job on little more than minimum wage. He works in a very woke industry though, so stays quiet and refuses to 'like' any of my FB posts. I have no career ambitions for myself at the moment, but would like to go to university at some point.

Think I reached the point long ago when I stopped caring what others think of me.

Yes, agree, Valancy. I have spoken up here and there. I'm not very loud and frequent about it but I have considered the risks of speaking out and the risks of staying quiet and have chosen the former for the most part.

@Scepticaltank why are you angry?

Since when was standing up for women's rights a sackable offence? Unless you were offensive about other groups?

I got reported (unofficial complaint) at work for wearing my adult female human lanyard as it was perceived as transphobic. It was a vindictive move from someone as I had made a comment about gender neutral toilets, non of it transphobic. If I agreed not to wear my lanyard then it wouldn't be become an official complaint. I came home and deleted all my work friends from Facebook and made sure I couldn't be connected to my work in any way on social media as I felt they would come for me for rocking the boat. If I was found to post something perceived as transphobic on social media, it would be a disciplinary matter as it could bring my organisation into disrepute. If your organisation has a social media policy then you do need to be careful if you want to keep your job.

@QueenOwl no not offensive to anyone. I respect anyone’s life choices. But those who I like and follow on Twitter are seen as TERFs.

@Scepticaltank you’re being quite dismissive are you aware of the challenges GC women have faced over the past few years?

People lose their jobs for having unfavourable opinions all the time.

It starts with not getting put forward for interesting projects; failing to get promotion; your bonus not being quite what it was the previous year; people starting to describe you as difficult or awkward.

Then you’re set unreasonable targets; put on a performance plan; written up for minor policy violations that have never been a concern previously; disciplinary for bullying as other feel uncomfortable.

That’s the first way.

Alternatively you get a call from HR and get asked to bring your coat and bag. There’s an envelope with a settlement agreement and you’re asked to go home and think about it over the weekend.

Pretending this doesn’t happen is either woefully naive or you’re being goady.

Thankfully my workplace is anti woke and I doubt anyone there isn’t gc. I have lost a new friend by airing my opinions though.. long gone are the days that you could have a different opinion and agree to disagree - echo chambers only now it seems. What’s so ironic is that they think they are being “kind” and I’m the bigot. It’s like turkeys voting for Christmas. Women are worse on this issue I hate to say, most men I have spoken to about it think it’s all bonkers

Funny you posted this because I applied for a job last week and am through to the second round and I have been in an absolute tizz over my social media even the accounts under a fake name.

I would 100% be fired from this super woke organisation if my GC posts were found and people whipped into a frenzy online.

To PP being dismissive about how one could be fired for GC posts, all it takes is for a few TRAs and handmaidens to call you "transphobic" online and you'd easily be hauled into a disciplinary meeting. Whether or not you actually were transphobic is completely irrelevant.

I work in HR. So much of this (to use OPS own word) crazy speculation and myth making of hoardes of sackings does the work of the bullies for them.

What is the disciplinary issue you are referring to here? There has to actually be something to be disciplined for. What is the disciplinary issue that applies to registering for a webinar that would lead to dismissal?

I definitely feel there is a link between my gc views and getting shoved out by my last company. New company after a year on benefits is vv woke. I’m keeping my head down.

Isn't the hypothetical disciplinary issue the discovery of social media posts that would go against the employer's social media policy/code of conduct? (Like Maya F?)

I guess in registering for the webinar she effectively links her employer to her Twitter profile, if only within the webinar booking system?

I'm speculating. You tell us @scepticaltank - how would you handle that in HR?

@Scepticaltank

Ok so say to do my job I have to be registered to a professional body, and that professional body has standards I have to adhere to and within them it clearly states respecting trans rights, and then say someone saw my social media and reported me to the professional body then yes I could be in serious shit.

But you can disbelieve me if you want. I’ve only been doing it for 18 years so what would I know.

I wouldn’t voice my GC views at work. Much of my job is about working across different public sector orgs and charities all of whom are stonewall champions or on the woke list - pronouns in emails etc. If they knew I were GC I’d pretty soon be called in to have chats about how this could create spaces where people feel “unsafe” which is public sector speak for “no one will work with you”

Maybe. I'm vegan and have been called into to management and asked if I am a terrorist, then the following year I had to confirm I wasn't in a cult.

I think they would definitely frown on my GC views.

Pretending this doesn’t happen is either woefully naive or you’re being goady.

I work in HR, my job is sacking people so you tell me which, am I woefully naive or goady or have I asked quite plainly for people to explain how their employers can fairly dismiss them for gross misconduct. So far its pretty clear that this is just wild speculation.

Clearly women have lost their jobs over this. For speaking the truth. Now im a better position to speak up, I do. For those who, understandably, can't.

Also you could challenge me in a less angry way.

I’m not meaning to create fear or over react. So I’m sorry if I’ve caused any fear.

@Scepticaltank

Pretending this doesn’t happen is either woefully naive or you’re being goady.

I work in HR, my job is sacking people so you tell me which, am I woefully naive or goady or have I asked quite plainly for people to explain how their employers can fairly dismiss them for gross misconduct. So far its pretty clear that this is just wild speculation.

Well for a start freelancers in my industry, of which there are plenty, would 100% be blacklisted if there was a whiff of "transphobic" around them. You don't need an HR policies for that.

In terms of employees, it would obviously be either social media policy/bringing the company into disrepute or constructive dismissal in which they pressure you to resign.

The recent woke firings at the NYT and Teen Vogue were both technically resignations.

Its the modern uber left equivalents of 50's McCarthyism

"Do you now or have you ever held none woke views"

I volunteer with a Youth Organisation (that accepts both boys and girls, both in sex and gender).
I've made the decision to be deliberately quiet so I can be there to advocate for the girls (or indeed boys) needing single sex spaces for showers, sleeping etc. I mostly work with the preteen age group and it hasn't come up yet. I know a male colleague who is TWAW and he is technically my boss.

The OP has signed up to a professional code of conduct which includes respecting trans rights.

In her personal twitter feed, the OP has expressed gender critical views which could be interpreted as not respecting trans rights.

The OP has accidentally linked the personal twitter feed to her real life, professional identity.

I don't know what the OP has done on twitter, but she seems confident that it might be considered a breach of professional code of conduct.

it clearly states respecting trans rights, and then say someone saw my social media and reported me to the professional body then yes I could be in serious shit.

Professional bodies don't have responsibility for sacking other companies employees, they are professional bodies. All they can do is pass on a complaint. Unless your SM is seriously disrespectful how can you be in serious shit?