Women's and Equalities - inquiry into the Reform of the Gender Recognition Act

[Leafstamp]

Live now for anyone interested:

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6436ad0d-508d-4208-97da-a39a913a254c

[MrsMidClegs]

"If you make it about chromosomes you are going to get it wrong most of the time"

FGS Not raging at all

[Leafstamp]

Someone just said, in relation to sport “advantage comes from hormones, not chromosomes”

Cat says her sex is female (because her hormones are the same as other post menopausal women)

[ChattyLion]

Very confusing answer about what female sex is coming from Cat at GIRES.. my ingredients include woman?

[yourhairiswinterfire]

"No evidence that self ID is an issue"

The people who say this, what they really mean is-''it's not going to cause any issues that will negatively affect me.''

They don't give a toss about the vulnerable women and girls it will affect.

[NecessaryScene1]

She is saying if a women prisoner is assessed as being a danger to other women then she is put in the male estate" Is this true?

I believe it can happen, but it's incredibly exceptional. And the reason it happens is because virtually no women are that dangerous, therefore women's prisons are not equipped with security levels (including staff) capable of dealing with someone posing that level of risk.

But I'm not sure why she's making that point. If women can be put in the male estate, then what's the objection to putting transwomen in there? If women's prisons can't handle dangerous females, they certainly can't handle dangerous males.

[highame]

Sex and Gender clarify these definitions should government give definitions . I am very fascinated by this one. Sex - might be some biological factor sex simplistic XX or XY. Now onto dignity. Intersex being discussed - they're going to be bloody annoyed. You have to be really careful describing female because you'll get it wrong. Gender transition between the ears not between legs.

Sex and gender used interchangeably. Would have to re-write so much law. Don't want specific description except (and uses cervical smear eg). Fear is exclusion of trans people with use of language.

[Berthatydfil]

Nancy also saying we need to follow Ireland.

[highame]

Ireland GRC then lots of small countries, nothing on our size. Catholic is being used as 'liberal' but as we all know, lots of religious people would prefer trans to gay

[Berthatydfil]

Is this committee going to invite the other side of this issue?

[OvaHere]

@NecessaryScene1

She is saying if a women prisoner is assessed as being a danger to other women then she is put in the male estate" Is this true?

I believe it can happen, but it's incredibly exceptional. And the reason it happens is because virtually no women are that dangerous, therefore women's prisons are not equipped with security levels (including staff) capable of dealing with someone posing that level of risk.

But I'm not sure why she's making that point. If women can be put in the male estate, then what's the objection to putting transwomen in there? If women's prisons can't handle dangerous females, they certainly can't handle dangerous males.

The two most dangerous female prisoners I can think of are Joanne Dennehy and Rose West. Neither of them are in the male estate. So who are these super dangerous female prisoners?

[highame]

They are saying we don't measure up with regards trans rights but if you look at what we have, it is pretty damned good. UK perceived as 9th place from 5th in some sort of league. Well there ya go

[Leafstamp]

Listening to this is really not good for my blood pressure. I actually stumbled upon it by accident, but would like to know who "the committee" is so that we can correct them all the crap they've heard today.

[Panicmode1]

Well so much of that was completely enraging - especially the utter BS spouted by Nancy Kelley that because sex and gender are used interchangably in law, that having definitions would mean having to change legislation....WTF? THEY have been very deliberately misrepresenting the law for years...

[highame]

Why is the Mermaids rep saying she will give more written evidence. It wouldn't be a bit of opacity would it

Its the Women & Equalities Committee I think. Crispin Blunt wasn't in evidence today, that really would have made my blood boil

[Signalbox]

The two most dangerous female prisoners I can think of are Joanne Dennehy and Rose West. Neither of them are in the male estate. So who are these super dangerous female prisoners?

The recent JR has asked for the data in relation to the number of female prisoners held in the male estate and what counts as an exceptional circumstance. I suppose the most notorious women may not be the most dangerous to other women on a day to day basis.

[Leafstamp]

@highame

Why is the Mermaids rep saying she will give more written evidence. It wouldn't be a bit of opacity would it

Its the Women & Equalities Committee I think. Crispin Blunt wasn't in evidence today, that really would have made my blood boil

Of course, yes, the Women's and Equalities Committee. Their contact details are at the bottom of this page: committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/

We all need to write in with our views having listened to that awful session.

[highame]

I just can't see the government buying that stuff. Howwever, I am taking bets as to how long it will be before there's another 'call for evidence' on this matter

[ArabellaScott]

Will there be a transcript? Missed this entirely.

[OvaHere]

JCJ live tweeted the hearing.

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1372202488091308034

[highame]

Thanks Ova but I don't think I could listen to that again . So much hyperbole and misinterpretation.

[Signalbox]

Lui thinks that a 4000% increase in young girls as patients at Tavi is a success story in that it's likely to mean that we are creating a culture whereby people can come out

I thought that transphobia in society was supposed to be the worst that it's ever been? If it's about cultural acceptance, why is it only teen girls that have seen an increase in numbers and not middle aged women? Why does nobody ask pertinent questions. It's enraging!

[highame]

Not much made sense did it?

[TinselAngel]

@highame

I am sure that Tinsel will be giving evidence or will have submitted.

The stripping away of bureaucracy seems to be very important - safeguarding down the tubes

Trans Widows Voices made a submission to the enquiry

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16197/pdf/

[Leafstamp]

Thanks @TinselAngel

For anyone who's interested, here is JCJ's written submission:
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/17536/pdf/

At least we know people other than TRAs submitted evidence. I just hope a sensible compromise is made, that doesn't erode the rights of women and that doesn't harm people who are too young or vulnerable to understand the full and lasting impact of changing gender.

[TinselAngel]

@Leafstamp

Thanks *@TinselAngel*

For anyone who's interested, here is JCJ's written submission:
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/17536/pdf/

At least we know people other than TRAs submitted evidence. I just hope a sensible compromise is made, that doesn't erode the rights of women and that doesn't harm people who are too young or vulnerable to understand the full and lasting impact of changing gender.

Or ideally that things stay as they are!