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"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 19:26

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sarah-everard-vigil-defy-police-ban-clapham-common-b923959.html

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
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Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 16:30

Wasn't khan all about the dangers of covid the other day? Also must be some irony in people are calling for CD, a woman, to resign when the decision about whether it was lawful or not to gather was out of her hands.

Logoff · 14/03/2021 16:30

Well done to Nottinghamshire police who worked with the vigil organisers and did not provoke violence. Showing how it should be done.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2021 16:34

Wasn't it Nottinghamshire Police who experimented with recording misogyny as a hate crime?

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 16:34

@Logoff

Well done to Nottinghamshire police who worked with the vigil organisers and did not provoke violence. Showing how it should be done.
The high court ruled that the met wasn't to allow it. Were notts police told the same?
Logoff · 14/03/2021 16:49

That’s not correct, if you look at the ruling, the high court left it to the Met to interpret. Hard to miss really.

Logoff · 14/03/2021 16:49

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Wasn't it Nottinghamshire Police who experimented with recording misogyny as a hate crime?
I wasn’t commenting on that, I was commenting on how they handled the vigil last night Smile
Logoff · 14/03/2021 16:54

The judge was also at pains to point out he had only been asked to consider a declaration on the law, rather than grant an injunction against the police or rule on the legality of the vigil

In the aftermath of the ruling vigil organisers said they were in discussions with the Met Police about how it could go ahead safely

It’s an interesting read before commenting on whether a judge ruled it as unlawful.

Logoff · 14/03/2021 16:56

The Metropolitan police admitted in the high court on Friday that it had discretion on how to respond to protests and it could not impose a blanket ban on demonstrations, after the force was challenged by the organisers of the planned vigil to remember Sarah Everard in south London

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/13/police-in-england-using-covid-lockdown-rules-to-halt-any-protests

FlyingByTheSeatof · 14/03/2021 17:05

Her only interview was with 'The Sun'.

Was she an activist who helped set up a situation where this would happen with co-conspirators?!? If she so she certainly got what she and they wanted.

Whatever happened it's just a travesty towards the memory of Sarah

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
CantBeAssed · 14/03/2021 17:19

Haven't read the whole thread so iv maybe missed if someone has already pointed out that Sarah's family did not want this "vigil" to go ahead. Why did no-one respect her families wishes?

LangClegsInSpace · 14/03/2021 17:32

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"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
334bu · 14/03/2021 17:36

mobile.twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1371141569923985408

Sisters uncut seem a nice group of peopleHmm

Tessabelle74 · 14/03/2021 17:37

What happened to Sarah is appalling. I don't agree with all these women breaking lockdown and betraying every member of the NHS. Candles could have been lit in windows, a minutes silence observed on our doorsteps etc, there was no need to be meeting in mass gatherings in a pandemic

ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2021 17:43

I'm much more impressed by the quiet tributes made by ordinary women pushing no agenda except an end to violence against women.
Here's a couple of examples from a bbc report

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 14/03/2021 17:46

@334bu

mobile.twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1371141569923985408

Sisters uncut seem a nice group of peopleHmm

Did the police have no suspicion or intell that they might turn up and be looking for the sort of images that ended up on the front pages? Indeed at the point at which they knew they were there banging their drums did they not have a plan of action other than let's pin these women to the ground, thus playing into their hands?
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Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 17:47

Their tweet sounds fit for a vigil:

"To all those still thinking of heading to Clapham Common at 6pm tonight: we will be there! Please bring your sadness and your rage."

Also I know the met weren't prohibited, but they also weren't given the go ahead either, which would have likely left them liable had anything happened. Between a rock and a hard place.

carrie105 · 14/03/2021 17:53

I live very, very locally.

We all lit candles on our doorsteps.

A lot of local and vocal anti lockdown protesters attended last night. The reasons they were there were nothing to do with Sarah. The vigil wasn't publically supported by Sarah's friends or family and the slogan shouting wasn't respectful to Sarah or her family.

I am sure many were at the common for the right reasons, particularly earlier on in the afternoon. But, there were many that weren't.

Lapun · 14/03/2021 17:54

I watched what happened and then a member of a feminist group I belong to told what really happened. The vigil was peaceful until the Trans Group Sisters Uncut and other Men got involved. They destroyed what was intended to be a peaceful vigil. And what what my friends are saying, and I believe them, the funds raised will not go to Women’s only charities so everyone, while I think the police were wrong not to have cooperated with the group of women who approached them , we should consider the role of Trans groups in the fracas that erupted. We need to learn more about Sisters Uncut!

Justanotherworkingmom · 14/03/2021 18:00

@lapun

I don’t think it cuts it to launch into a transphobic diatribe against specific groups. A young women is dead and deserves far better than that. No one should have been there.

rosetylersbiggun · 14/03/2021 18:02

The comments acting like if a woman is an actress, or if she supports trans rights, she somehow deserves to be violently thrown to the ground by half a dozen men are just vile. Let's not engage in purity spirals about what standard a woman has to achieve before she's allowed rights.

I don’t really blame individual police officers either, I blame whoever was instructing them. If their orders were “Go in there and break it up and clear the area” then going to the front and taking the ringleaders out of their will be a strategy that they cover in police training surely?
You absolutely should blame individual officers, because being there it was obvious that some of the officers held the women in utter contempt and just wanted to have the chance to shove girls around. Some of the police were nice and trying to protect the flowers and protect the safety of the crowd, most were neutral and just acting professionally, but a minority were acting in an overtly hostile manner (making unprovoked unpleasant and argumentative comments) right from the start, long before it turned into a protest or got heated. The actions of those individuals did a lot to stoke tensions and it was obvious those individuals wanted to exert their power over young women and put women in their place.

The police also left before the vigil ended and the rest of the vigil went ahead peacefully with almost no police presence. The fact the police created a human wall around the bandstand was just weird considering the bandstand was full of male press and male police officers, and about half a dozen seated female protestors. If the police had just not gone onto the bandstand in the first place, there would have been no need to form a wall. They formed a wall so they could kettle the girls, because they wanted to make arrests to prove a point.

It's telling that the police left the aggressive male protestors alone (including the shouty anti-maskers) but only targeted the young women.

rosetylersbiggun · 14/03/2021 18:04

No one should have been there.

Really, women who live there who just wanted to walk into the common, quietly lay a bunch of flowers and leave, shouldn't have been there?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/03/2021 18:07

the funds raised will not go to Women’s only charities

As you can see from the screenshot LangClegsInSpace posted, Sisters Uncut want to use some or all of the money for legal support costs.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2021 18:13

We need to learn more about Sisters Uncut!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3172250-Sisters-Uncut

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3494531-Sisters-Uncut-Edinburgh

Leedsfan247 · 14/03/2021 18:13

Nick the lot of them the rules apply to everyone irrespective of the circumstances

FactsAndFigs · 14/03/2021 18:17

Ereshkigalangcleg

Someone has posted tweet underneath their recent statement that might help those with how to reclaim and choose to give elsewhere.

Can’t remember username who would of liked to have this option.

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