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"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 19:26

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sarah-everard-vigil-defy-police-ban-clapham-common-b923959.html

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
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yellowlorry123 · 14/03/2021 06:33

Racist, mysoginists, violent, killers, perverts. Misunderstanding and mistaken. Getting it wrong yet again

Good old Met

Slurtdragon · 14/03/2021 07:08

I feel sick and so so sad. Someone high up in the met has calculated this approach, in hope that women won’t fight back. My heart aches. I hope them/they get the fucking sack.

Justanotherworkingmom · 14/03/2021 07:14

Genuinely saddened that people think this type of protest is acceptable in a pandemic. It’s a complete slap in the face for the nhs and anyone else who cares a job about the tens of thousands of people dying from COVID.

Happinessisawarmcervix · 14/03/2021 07:17

@Coffeeandrev

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenager-murders-sisters-wembley-trial-b60111.html%3famp

Where was the outrage and vigil over this?

There was enormous outrage at the time of their death, not least because two policemen were found to have posed for “selfies” with their dead bodies.
fioreun · 14/03/2021 07:19

Met Police statement. Defending last night's events. It shows the problem is throughout the organisation. Institutionalised sexism and misogyny.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1370909861224013828?s=19

Happinessisawarmcervix · 14/03/2021 07:22

@TatianaBis

It's rather telling that women can't protest in peace about male violence without men getting violent - TRAs, police etc.
This.
WarriorN · 14/03/2021 07:23

Coffee is alluding to the level of protest last night. Certainly online as well.

But it's clear the whole thing was taken over by others with agendas.

Arrowheart · 14/03/2021 07:30

@lynsey91

They should not be having any vigil. What happened to covid rules? Also how many are wearing masks. I see that Kate wasn't
Ffs
merrymouse · 14/03/2021 07:30

@Lisz

My grandfather was Antifa; fought and very nearly died for his country in WW2, as i'm sure many of our relatives did. He was left half-starved after 10 months in a Japanese POW camp and had to be put in extreme R and R in a hospital for 2 months until he was fit and well enough to come back home. He was proudly Antifa* and was as 'mainstream' part of society as you could ever get. Makes me queasy to read people say the Anti-fash are anarchists and 'not mainstream society'. Whoever says as much should be glad people went abroad and served as Antifa, so they could then sit on a message board decades later bleating about commies.

*they called them The Allies back then.

‘Antifa’ is not an organised movement and anyone can claim to be ‘antifa’. It can be all things to all people. Sometimes people call themselves antifa and genuinely protest people calling themselves nazis. Sometimes men just dress up in black, call themselves antifa and have a nice day out harassing women.
felulageller · 14/03/2021 07:32

Not read thread but saw on news this am.

The police's behaviour is absolutely disgusting.

All of those charged should be released without further action.

The met should release an apology and heads should roll.

Xenia · 14/03/2021 07:32

The problem is the CV19 legislation, not the Met police. However they should apply ilt equally to BLM and eco people as to women. There should be no different in treatment (and I have not checked dates and the legislation to be sure but I do remember many a greta T kind of thing and BLM protest where people were clearly not distancing but still it went ahead.

Farenblight · 14/03/2021 07:48

It should be said that Priti Patel is partly to blame as she is the one who refused to support a protest exemption

Wasn't it meant to be a vigil though? Perhaps her family, who have said they didn't want her name and photo used, asked them not to "approve' it. It was highjacked by those with other intentions which is vile.

merrymouse · 14/03/2021 07:49

I also thought that it had become clear that, despite concern at the time, out door gatherings at beaches and protests had not led to Covid spikes.

It does seem that they have applied different rules to an event that involves women. I’m always willing to believe that we don’t know everything that affected a decision process, but I think this decision should be explained.

merrymouse · 14/03/2021 07:50

Perhaps her family, who have said they didn't want her name and photo used, asked them not to "approve' it.

Maybe this is the bit of information else are missing?

RRRRwuff · 14/03/2021 07:53

@Lisz

My grandfather was Antifa; fought and very nearly died for his country in WW2, as i'm sure many of our relatives did. He was left half-starved after 10 months in a Japanese POW camp and had to be put in extreme R and R in a hospital for 2 months until he was fit and well enough to come back home. He was proudly Antifa* and was as 'mainstream' part of society as you could ever get. Makes me queasy to read people say the Anti-fash are anarchists and 'not mainstream society'. Whoever says as much should be glad people went abroad and served as Antifa, so they could then sit on a message board decades later bleating about commies.

*they called them The Allies back then.

Are you for really? Your grandfather was antifa? Grin Hmm Grin

Do you know what antifa actually is? A left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement. You know that your grandad fought for Britain and the Allies, right? Not some obscure left-wing political movement.

Sophoclesthefox · 14/03/2021 07:53

Fucking hell, what a shambles. I don’t even know what to think about this now. Women are angry, but somehow we don’t get to do anything about it without getting hijacked by every passing agenda that has nothing to do with violence against women and girls.

merrymouse · 14/03/2021 07:56

There has been South African variant surge testing in nearby Wandsworth this week, so perhaps authorities are more concerned about Covid spread.

Farenblight · 14/03/2021 07:58

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenager-murders-sisters-wembley-trial-b60111.html%3famp

Where was the outrage and vigil over this*

Presumably the same place as the investigation into this:

www.sussexlive.co.uk/news/sussex-news/tragic-death-amazing-carer-21-4635220

Cwenthryth · 14/03/2021 07:59

Your grandpa sounds like an inspiring man, Lisz, my grandpa fought in Italy against fascism as well and was forever changed by his experiences there. He never collected his medals during his lifetime due to the trauma he suffered. I think he would not recognize the current element that now goes by “Antifa” as anything aligned to what their generation did. A few years ago I was at an anti-racism rally in London, a counter protest to the EDL, “our” side were occupying the park the EDL wanted to assemble in, the park having been named after a Bengali man killed by racists so highly inflammatory for the EDL to want to parachute in a rally there. The police kept the two sides apart, the park was held, the EDL had to turn around and go home. A lot of singing, chanting and love on ‘our’ side,
which was a melting pot of different groups and individuals united against racism, apart from an ominous, growing group congregating in one corner of the park, all white, almost entirely men, dressed in black, faces covered, “Antifa” flags (anarchist symbols). Once it was clear the protest was going nice and peacefully (and had succeeded in its aim of preventing EDL using the park), the Antifa group started deliberately attempting to directly engage with EDL, became violent, entered buffer zones the police had designated to prevent direct conflict, had many arrests and a lot of police time and public money managing them. They were not there to protest and stop the fascists, that’s what we all did together that day, they were there solely to cause disruption with the police. Modern “Antifa” are a disgrace to the legacy of our grandfathers quite frankly, violent thugs who will appropriate any cause to engage in public intimidation and violence.

Modern Antifa are not what they say on the tin, and are not our allies opposing male violence against women and girls.

Erkrie · 14/03/2021 08:02

Modern “Antifa” are a disgrace to the legacy of our grandfathers quite frankly, violent thugs who will appropriate any cause to engage in public intimidation and violence.

This. 💯

Cokie3 · 14/03/2021 08:02

@RRRRwuff Originally antifa had nothing to do with left vs right. It was about defeating Hitler and his fascist regime, hence the antifascist part. England, America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc were all part of the antifa (antifascist) war to defeat Hitler in WW2.

That is where antifa was born.

frumpety · 14/03/2021 08:06

But it's clear the whole thing was taken over by others with agendas.

I wonder who will get the blame ?

Cwenthryth · 14/03/2021 08:06

Thanks for the history lesson, but you might want to get up to speed on what “Antifa” means in reality today.

daisypond · 14/03/2021 08:07

My grandfather was Antifa; fought and very nearly died for his country in WW2,

I don’t think you know what Antifa means. Someone who fought against the Nazis/fascism in WW2 is not “Antifa”.

yellowlorry123 · 14/03/2021 08:08

@frumpety

Women will

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