"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"

[TheRabbitOfCaerbannog]

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sarah-everard-vigil-defy-police-ban-clapham-common-b923959.html

@poshme

Some of the people at the vigil were holding ACAB placards. Was that really for sarah? Or people wanting to cause trouble.

I've never seen that acronym used by someone not wanting to cause trouble. I refuse to accept that any of the vigil-holders had anything to do with it though, it would have been one of the usual idiots who infiltrate any worthy cause in order to have a punch-up.

It is our human right to gather, grieve and protest.

I don’t believe the police reaction had anything to do with COVID. This was about silencing women/intimidating women to put them in their place. First, by threatening organisers and attendees with fines, then arresting women who were simply standing - not even speaking - and clearly not ‘being a threat’ to anyone.
It looked like there were a few ‘troublemakers’ in the crowd- ones who were there with another purpose. But (from the video footage - I watched live online) it looks like the vast majority were peaceful women attending the vigil.

The met Police were too heavy-handed and caused all the problems here. They could have handled this so much better, but they chose not to engage with the original organisers. They had the power to intimidate and they chose to flex that power.

Now the front pages on Mothers day will be filled with the Met police trying to intimidate women into silence. I am saddened. I am horrified.

RIP Sarah, wishing strength to her grieving family.

It seems to me from twitter that these two things are both true:

a) The police acted terribly

b) The Clapham protest ended up basically being led by by Sisters Uncut, who are the extremist TRAs who assaulted Maria Machlachlan. They put up some sign about "t*rfs", and made speeches that a journalist on twitter said that in their opinion constituted contempt of court and could endanger the trial. Also, being Sisters Uncut, they had angry lairy blokes with them creating an aggressive atmosphere (which still does not in any way excuse the police reaction)

I saw an interview with Patsy Stevenson, the woman pictured being arrested. Her first words were how this is about "ALL women, transwomen and c*s women..."

So overall I don't feel that either side are covered in glory. I think it is pretty shite that Sisters Uncut tried to hijack this for a TRA agenda.

@gluteustothemaximus

They dance with extinction rebellion, they take the knee for BLM.

They arrest women protesting peacefully.

Tonight needed to be handled with sensitivity, given it was one of their officers who murdered Sarah.

So it just shows you what they must think of women.

They've been thoroughly captured by the woke orthodoxy. Trendy causes get a free pass.

It's time to reintroduce Peel's principles. Particularly these ones:
2. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
4. To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.

It will take a generation to repair the reputational damage this has caused. I hope that the Home Secretary calls for the Commissioner's head on a plate. We need a new Commissioner, preferably one brought in from one of the more sensible forces rather than from within the Met. We could even hire from abroad.

I also want to know whether the Mayor of London had any involvement tonight. The Commissioner answers to Khan.

When men come along there will be trouble. Definitely seemed from the footage that until the police arrived it was probably a contained vigil, but there were plenty of men itching for a fight. However utterly disgusted by not only the police handling , but the hijacking to be about the wolves in sheep’s clothing. This is. Women’s issue, not a men’s or tw issue. They could have shown solidarity and kept away. The fact they didn’t speaks volumes. Sad and .angry.

@Artesia

*@Whenthesunshines* - but why was the Glasgow parade allowed to go ahead as an organised event when this wasn't? Is it because it's more important for men to gather to celebrate winning a game than for women to gather to mourn and peacefully protest against male violence?

Simple. It's because men are six inches taller and three stone heavier.

So overall I don't feel that either side are covered in glory. I think it is pretty shite that Sisters Uncut tried to hijack this for a TRA agenda.

Yes. It's shameful.

and made speeches that a journalist on twitter said that in their opinion constituted contempt of court and could endanger the trial.

This is so concerning. Still, at least they had a good day out.

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b) The Clapham protest ended up basically being led by by Sisters Uncut, who are the extremist TRAs who assaulted Maria Machlachlan. They put up some sign about "trfs", and made speeches that a journalist on twitter said that in their opinion constituted contempt of court and could endanger the trial. Also, being Sisters Uncut, they had angry lairy blokes with them creating an aggressive atmosphere (which still does not in any way excuse the police reaction)*

I saw an interview with Patsy Stevenson, the woman pictured being arrested. Her first words were how this is about "ALL women, transwomen and cs women..."*

Antifa = anti fascist. That's the default, surely?
@MmeLaraque no, Antifa are a collection of anarchist and communist revolutionaries. They are not mainstream society.

Ddraighich: 'I also want to know whether the Mayor of London had any involvement tonight. The Commissioner answers to Khan.'

No. He doesn't.

The Mayor is not able to intervene in operational matters.

To be clear: The Mayor has no involvement in this.

They are supposedly policing by public consent

There is no consent for what we saw tonight.

twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1370902610539057153?s=21

I think this will make it worse, also lots of tweets from individual officers that are making it about them tonight. Not tonight, it wasn’t the time.

twitter.com/thedogman_918/status/1370854870866137090?s=21

This is what I mean about making it about them, some of the replies are enlightening.

I am very supportive of the police in general but this is tone deaf.

My grandfather was Antifa; fought and very nearly died for his country in WW2, as i'm sure many of our relatives did. He was left half-starved after 10 months in a Japanese POW camp and had to be put in extreme R and R in a hospital for 2 months until he was fit and well enough to come back home. He was proudly Antifa* and was as 'mainstream' part of society as you could ever get. Makes me queasy to read people say the Anti-fash are anarchists and 'not mainstream society'. Whoever says as much should be glad people went abroad and served as Antifa, so they could then sit on a message board decades later bleating about commies.

*they called them The Allies back then.

Khan has demanded an explanation from the Met.

It should be said that Priti Patel is partly to blame as she is the one who refused to support a protest exemption.

I would like to see images of the peaceful small gatherings across the country.

I like that Kate payed her respects.

During the day light hours the Clapham Common vigil seemed respectful and quiet.

That bloody drum though! How could anyone quietly pay their respects with endless bang bang bang and all the annoying chanting. It does seem that the vigil was hyjacked, becoming a demonstration. It could have been avoided if the police had parked themselves at a respectful distance and helpfully offered assistance in a kind supportive manner.

I dislike the politicising - ACAB, socialist groups, the awful notice on the lamppost about terfs being transphobes, the random men wading in, the police handling. It was meant to be a vigil for sarah, her death resonates with many women.

It's rather telling that women can't protest in peace about male violence without men getting violent - TRAs, police etc.

I stumbled across a large anti mask protest during last lockdown and the police stood around the edges doing NOTHING. These people had no masks, were shouting, screaming, harassing passers-by, they had speakers on the steps and the police didn't do a thing. This has been handled outrageously, huge disparity between the two.

@PurpleWh1teGreen

The contrast with BLM & the football parade in Glasgow this week is dreadful.

Women, do as you are told.

There were plenty of (violent) arrests at the BLM marches too! Let's not pretend otherwise.

@Cokie3

I truly feel so depressed, as a woman it's like 2021 has become 1921. Instead of feeling free, I genuinely feel like men hate women and police men are on the side of the abusers and women haters.

I feel like we no longer have anywhere to turn to!

We are no longer allowed to have our safe spaces and are threatened with being raped with their 'lady cocks' or curb stomped. When a woman is raped/murdered by police, we can't even attend a fucking vigil without being manhandled and pushed to the ground by police men.

We have no rights to just.....be, anymore. This century is horrifying, I have never felt so HATED and so alone on account of being a woman.

This is what black women have been feeling all our lives. We have never felt safe, supported, respected xx

Every single twat from sisters uncut should have been removed, they are vile and used Sarah's murdered for an opportunity to demonstrate their violence. They should not have been there. Men should not have been there. The press should have stayed on the edge and not inserted themselves onto the band stand. The idiot with the drums should never have been able to get near. What happened was a disgrace. Anti lockdown chants, acab chants had nothing to do with the awful murder. The day time was the only respectful part. Whilst many there tried to avoid the flowers plenty others didn't care and trampled them to get at the police. Sarahs poor family who will forever have that shit show attached to her name. The terf sign was an absolute disgrace.

How is putting women in Clapham at risk of covid keeping women safe? Also, in the past the Met police saved my life when I was a victim of male violence.

@Coffeeandrev

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenager-murders-sisters-wembley-trial-b60111.html%3famp

Where was the outrage and vigil over this?

Yes quite, that's one pertinent thing about yesterday.

Also, met police were found to be sharing images of their bodies last year.