TW nominated for the womens prize for fiction

[Kit19]

for fucks fucking sake!

"Peters’ longlisting comes after organisers clarified in 2020 that it was open to any “cis woman, a transgender woman or anyone who is legally defined as a woman or of the female sex”. “It’s a prize for women, and trans women are women, so …” said chair of judges and author Bernardine Evaristo."

@Delphinium20 and @notyourhandmaid

Yeah I get that, but that was then and this is now. Is it not time to move on? At what point would you be happy to merge?

Bring it on.

Honestly, publishing is so painfully woke and full of virtue signalling. I think it will actually take a few instances of this happening for women (the ordinary, dismissible kind) to start thinking - wait a minute, I'm not sure I'm quite as cool with this as I thought. And then they might not be so quick to express their disappointment with JKR and cheer on the likes of Damian Barr for his witch hunting.

At this point it almost feels like a game of chicken. How far can they push women before something gives?

@PotholeParadies

Well couldn't we have judges that reflect the pool of authors? Half n half? I think it also really discredits people that they will judge the book by it's author - even subconsciously. When we will move on from needing separate categories?

Nothing to see here!

[quote SidSparrow]@PotholeParadies

Well couldn't we have judges that reflect the pool of authors? Half n half? I think it also really discredits people that they will judge the book by it's author - even subconsciously. When we will move on from needing separate categories?[/quote]
Reality discredits us as a society.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-happened-when-a-man-signed-work-emails-using-a-female-name-for-a-week_n_58c2ce53e4b054a0ea6a4066?ri18n=true

@Liquorishtoffee

Why not transmen?

Why would a trans man want to be included?

I've no time for women only short lists but if you (general you) think they are a good thing why do you (general you) want to include a person is publicly rejecting being a woman?

I wonder if Evaristo has recanted on her use of "womxn"?

‘anyone who is legally defined as a woman or of the female sex’ so that could cover trans men. Also being brought up and socialised as female, and being exposed to the barriers that have meant that a special category award for females Is necessary.

Women ‘breaking through centuries of patriarchal conditioning’ now involves writing about sissification and forced feminization fantasies? Ok then. Mainstream literature of the canon is full to the brim of male-born people indulging in esoteric sexual fantasies and pretending it’s art but now we’re supposed to read it as ‘feminist’.

War is peace, love is hate, we have always been at war with Eastasia etc

I'd laugh if I wasn't so livid

Because historically women have been left out of literature prizes and the bulk of awards have gone to men. Ideally women would win roughly 50 % of literature prizes, but because that didn't happen (sexism) women's prizes allowed recognition for well deserved accomplishments

There have between 20 female Booker winners out of 51.

For the main Costa prize it's 21 out of 49.

It's not 50% but it's hardly ignoring women.

@ASmallMovie

Hopefully she'll win. And hopefully next year the entire list will be TW.

And then finally the folk who don't think there's an issue with self ID/TWAW ideology will wake the fuck up.

Om beginning to think this way as well.

[quote SidSparrow]**@Delphinium20* and @notyourhandmaid*

Yeah I get that, but that was then and this is now. Is it not time to move on? At what point would you be happy to merge?[/quote]
I'll be happy when the Booker prize shortlist is all female.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the same thing when asked about equality on the US Supreme Court:

"When I'm sometimes asked 'When will there be enough [women on the Supreme Court]?' and I say 'When there are nine,' people are shocked. But there'd been nine men, and nobody's ever raised a question about that."

I'll be happy when the Booker prize shortlist is all female

That's as daft as saying I'll be happy with an all male list. There have been only 2 years when there was an all male list.

@MissBarbary

I'll be happy when the Booker prize shortlist is all female

That's as daft as saying I'll be happy with an all male list. There have been only 2 years when there was an all male list.

But there HAS been an all-male shortlist and there haven't even been a 1/2 female shortlist.

There have been only 2 years when there was an all male list.

Only two? How grateful we should be.

I'm with RBG

When it is unremarkable for there to be a 100% female shortlist that's the day that we don't need a women only prize.

Question 🙋

How do we know that trans women haven’t won it before? They might not have been “out”

Do we check their birth certificates before entering them?

I was following a discussion on Goodreads where they were posting all the predictions from Booktubers etc about the longlist.
Most of the longlisted authors were correctly predicted by at least one of them. This book wasn't mentioned by a single one of these supposedly experts.
Very clearly a political, tick box choice which has nothing to do with literature.

No point in it being a women's prize now. oh well.

And I am not cis. I was born female, and am now an adult human female. Just saying.

Connie if that were the case, then it would rather undermine the case for puberty blockers being prescribed.

OnlyTeaForMe did many of them predict Mermaid of Black Conch?

I met (or more accurately didn't meet) Bernardine Evaristo at a reading and she was such a snob! Spent ages chatting to and taking selfies and giving autographs to the mates of posh literary types but blanked all the ordinary fans waiting to tell her how much her books had meant to them.

This was an event in the working class, majority-black neighbourhood BE had actually grown up in, so it was rude as fuck that she wouldn't speak to locals, only people who'd travelled down from their poncy offices in Soho or Knightsbridge.

@NotTerfNorCis

So Peters wrote erotica about the 'sissification' of males. Blanchard's theory springs to mind.

Now that sissification is destined to reach a much wider audience thanks to the publicity around the book, do you think we'll be able to have more open discussions about it on here?