Clothing liberation

[Happinessisawarmcervix]

I thought this was interesting - a supermarket worker is in the news for wearing a skirt to work because he wants to and it feels more comfortable, but is happy as a man and doesn’t want to transition.

As Eddie Izzard used to say - “these aren’t women’s clothes, they are my clothes.”

I hope this won’t get deleted as being about a specific person. I hope it opens the door for other men to defy gender stereotypes in clothing or in hobbies/interests/activities.

Link www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/beverley-tesco-worker-can-finally-5067962

That's not what Stonewall say:

That's 'trans' as an umbrella term, not the Transgender Umbrella itself.

Though I will admit that Stonewall was entirely incompetent in explaining the 'transgender umbrella' on their own website.

AGP is bullshit that doesn't exist

Not according to the approximately 5000 posts on this site about AGP men who identify as transwomen.

Unless you're now trying to police their identity now too? Alongside policing stonewall's own descriptions on their own website?

The 'Transgender umbrella' doesn't cover people who are transgender, it covers people who face transphobic violence.

No it doesn't!

AGP is bullshit that doesn't exist that was made up by an abusive medicist who was forced out of his position.

Could you elaborate? Especially on "doesn't exist" and "abusive medicist" I've not heard about that. I thought was a word created to describe a very well known paraphilia. Are you saying the word AGP was made up or the behaviour is made up and doesn't exist.
It used to be called Auto Erotic Cross Dressing or Erotic Transvestism before term AGP was popularised.

Could you tell us what a medicist is and do you have any evidence of this person being abusive?

Oh dear. Fortunately there is ample evidence on this board of the existence of AGP so this is one place that saying it doesn't exist just won't wash. You can't shut that stable door Evarish because the horse bolted 4 years ago.

@TinselAngel

Oh for goodness sake. Haven't I taught you all anything over the last 4 years?

"I often get asked if I’m gay – well no, I’m not, I’ve had girlfriends and it’s great because we can share a wardrobe,” said Jeremy.”

This tends not to be consensual, and men who wear skirts genuinely because it is more comfortable, don't also wear nail varnish and high heels.

And wigs. I'm on the same page as you, Tinsel.

"“I do have wigs but I don’t really wear them and just have my natural hair."

How do you "have wigs" but "not really wear them"?

Maybe, "not really wear them to work"? . . . Yet.

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

The gentleman concerned appears to be wearing a padded bra.

I didn't spot that until you mentioned it but yes, you are right.

I had a boyfriend who liked to wear a sarong, kilt-type man-skirt or culottes in the summer. Smart, pinstriped gear or casual, camouflage pattern mostly. Absolutely no way that he, I or anyone else would perceive him as wearing women's clothing.

I had another boyfriend who liked to borrow my silk shirts and blouses because, he said, they felt so much nicer on his skin than rough men's shirts. I am sure that they did but I told him to stop because it was a bloody cheek.

There were other things that were a bit iffy - too many small things to be bothered to recount now - but most of all I had a gut feeling that there was something off. It was mostly about pushing people's boundaries, not just mine, to the point where they would be uncomfortable and then being gleeful about it.

What surprised me very much was that it was not him but another friend who "came out" in his late 50's and now presents as a rather hefty caricature of a cross between Dorien Green ("Birds of a Feather") and Hyacinth Bucket's sister Rose ("Keeping Up Appearances").

Maybe just a coincidence but the first step towards 24/7 cross-dressing was to very unexpectedly take a massive drop in salary in order to work on a Supermarket Checkout - and ask to be issued with a woman's uniform.

It actually makes a lot of sense, if you think about it.

I have also known men who were happy enough to dress in dowdy, frumpy women's clothes and wigs in public and who saved the glamour wear for indoor "dressing up" or time at home with friends.

We can all have very different perceptions, thoughts and feelings about the story in the Hull Daily Mail. The text and photos suggest to me that there is more to it than meets the eye. I would also be inclined to listen very attentively to anything that Tinsel had to say on the matter.

Though I will admit that Stonewall was entirely incompetent in explaining the 'transgender umbrella' on their own website.

Do tell us when they have corrected it to your understanding. Until then, I'll assume Stonewall mean what they say.

he said, they felt so much nicer on his skin than rough men's shirts.

This is very familiar as step 1.

Good for him, and any man who wears whatever he wants, and doesn't care what people think.
I think the point being made by many posters, is that many men who may present like this, do actually care very much what people think. It is all about the reaction to them wearing the clothes of the opposite sex; it is not about smashing stereotypes and wearing whatever clothing they like, zero fucks given. The latter is revolutionary, but doesn’t end up in the papers. The former is a reification of gender and these stories are pushed to the media consciously for a reason, IMO.

I often wonder if stories like this are sponsored by the Beaumont Society. It's their style.

Hopefully he hasn't got a partner who is having to deal with all this. It's right from the playbook isn't it - always interested in women's clothes, started with high heels and nail varnish, finally progressing to public displays and involving others. It's not about smashing stereotypes - it's about deliberately playing up stereotypes and transgressing boundaries.

I can't bear wearing trousers. They are uncomfortable, restrictive and constricting. They aren't warm in cold weather as socks under trousers aren't nearly as cosy as 100 denier cotton tights under a heavy skirt and they aren't nearly as good for keeping cool in warm weather.

I think you have worn the wrong trousers.

@StrangeLookingParasite

I can't bear wearing trousers. They are uncomfortable, restrictive and constricting. They aren't warm in cold weather as socks under trousers aren't nearly as cosy as 100 denier cotton tights under a heavy skirt and they aren't nearly as good for keeping cool in warm weather.

I think you have worn the wrong trousers.

What a silly response.

What a ridiculous thing to say in the first place.

@StrangeLookingParasite

What a ridiculous thing to say in the first place.

It was in response to the wide eyed incredulous post querying why anyone, not just the man being discussed, could possibly find skirts more comfortable than trousers.

I was responding to a ridiculous post. You clearly haven't read the thread- hence your silly response.

Having brought up 4 teenagers I'd ban pockets on the basis I didn't like checking what was in them before doing a wash and if I didn't I'd end up with a load of clothes covered in bits of tissue.

I can't bear wearing trousers. They are uncomfortable, restrictive and constricting. They aren't warm in cold weather as socks under trousers aren't nearly as cosy as 100 denier cotton tights under a heavy skirt and they aren't nearly as good for keeping cool in warm weather. Don't know if they still do it but when my DH was a young bobby on the beat it was normal for him and his colleagues to wear tights under their uniform trousers. I suppose they are in cars more now so maybe not such an issue but 8 hrs walking his beat on the night shift in January was a bit cold. So wearing trousers doesn't mean you can't wear tights.

You clearly haven't read the thread- hence your silly response.

Yes, I have read the thread, in its entirety. Your ignorant assumptions (again) are incorrect.
My response was not 'silly' - do you address everyone in this peremptory, dismissive way?