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Monklands Woman's Aid lose contract - given to 'gender neutral' facilities

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ArabellaScott · 24/02/2021 22:08

Statement from Monklands Womens Aid:

'We are devastated at NLC’s decision to remove funding from proven specialist women’s aid services.
Monklands Women’s Aid is a grassroots organisation that has been serving our community for 40 years. It is built on the premise of women supporting women, and as such we are a trusted independent local service which helps change and save lives. This decision undermines the availability of quality proven local independent specialist support.
Monklands Women’s Aid will survive because of separate funding and will continue to offer women’s, children and young person’s services, as well as offer specialist refuge provision.
Our core focus is supporting women, children and young people who have suffered domestic abuse and our approach, practice and understanding has been built up by listening to those we work with. We listen to those we serve and we shape our services accordingly. They know what they need and what works for them so we listen and respond in a manner that meets their individual need.
We are trusted by our community, and have grown out of grass roots movements in the area. This level of trust and understanding is not something that can be replicated by generic providers. Be under no allusion domestic abuse is a form of gender based abuse and women routinely lose their lives due to domestic abuse. This decision to award a contract to a non-specialist community justice organisation makes the mistake of seeing domestic abuse as gender neutral and will negatively impact on women, children and young people.'

From Neil Gray MP:

'Last night, North Lanarkshire Council revealed that the local Women’s Aid organisations had lost the tender to continue providing services to domestic abuse victims in the area.
This is an extremely disappointing move and means there is an unsecure future for Monklands Womens Aid, Motherwell & District Women’s Aid and North Lanarkshire Women's Aid services and staff. I also believe this decision has the potential to harm the confidence of women and children who have relied on the services of local Women's Aid groups because of the relationships and trust built over many years.'

There is a petition on change.org, 'Council to continue funding womans aid'.

Shocking news. I can't find much more about it, this is all on facebook posts, not in the news as far as I can find

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Siablue · 25/02/2021 09:11

Another thought is that if councils have to fund these services they are going to want to make them as unappealing as possible to access. If fewer women come forward to access the service then it looks like it is not needed and funding can be cut further. Dead women and babies can of course be ignored as they always are.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/02/2021 09:19

Trust me, they do not need evidence of decline in demand to cut funding.

NotMeekNotObedient · 25/02/2021 09:29

Awful decision. More women will die.

HoldontoOneMoreDay · 25/02/2021 10:00

I have to say that I am completely for men's services and indeed perpetrator services - but I don't think they should be at the expense of women's services. But this is where 'rights aren't a pie, there are enough to go around' gets you.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 10:02

@Siablue

It might not need to be a deliberate conspiracy but you can’t really argue that it is misogyny. They are taking away funding that is needed to save the lives of women and children and giving it to abusers.

Domestic abuse perpetrator programs are not very effective. The only reason men do them is to gain access to their kids when there is a fuck load of evil that they should never be allowed to see them again. So they are spending money that is meat to be protecting victims on enabling their further abuse through the family court.

I wish this wasn't true, but I'm afraid it's the facts.
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Thelnebriati · 25/02/2021 11:32

I started a thread about rebuilding the women's sector. Its going to take a groundswell of support for it to happen and this is a good place to talk about it.

334bu · 25/02/2021 12:17

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19117594.womens-aid-appalled-north-lanarkshire-council-defunds-domestic-abuse-services/

Good to see main stream media talking about this.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 12:25

'Council officers said planning for the new service was “informed by the findings of gaps in services with respect to specific groups including LGBT+ and BAME and also with respect to male victims”'

Male victims should be able to access help, sure. But I wonder what the figures are for male victims - how many are there who need help?

Number of domestic abuse victims per 10,000
Male - 35
Female - 160

I make that roughly 78% of victims are female.

www.gov.scot/publications/domestic-abuse-scotland-2018-2019-statistics/pages/13/

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ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 12:27

Good article in the Herald, and

' "While Women’s Aid services were busy responding to Covid-19 to continue providing their vital support for women, children and young people experiencing domestic abuse in North Lanarkshire, they were met with hostility in unnecessary, competitive tendering processes from North Lanarkshire Council that lacked both transparency and accountability.

“This did not have to happen and the result is that North Lanarkshire is now the only local authority area in Scotland that does not commission Women’s Aid services – a sad reflection of their complete lack of understanding of the complex nature of domestic abuse and an upsetting dismissal of decades of work by grass-roots, local Women’s Aid services who are trusted and respected within their communities. '

Shame on NLC.

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Thelnebriati · 25/02/2021 12:34

''Council officers said planning for the new service was “informed by the findings of gaps in services with respect to specific groups including LGBT+ and BAME and also with respect to male victims”'

299 were children. Presumably the majority need housing with their mother.

Siablue · 25/02/2021 12:47

@Thelnebriati

''Council officers said planning for the new service was “informed by the findings of gaps in services with respect to specific groups including LGBT+ and BAME and also with respect to male victims”'

299 were children. Presumably the majority need housing with their mother.

My son is a male victim of abuse as he was a baby when I left his dad I don’t think the fact that he has a Y chromosome should be used to take funding away from women’s aid. He is also a service user of Women’s Aid and comes to one of their mother and baby groups with me.

They rightly mention BAME victims and it would be interesting what the policies are around providing support for women who have no recourse to public funds. Incidentally organisations that support black and Asian victims of abuse are at particular risk of being defunded for not being ‘inclusive’ enough. I am actually crying now.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 13:00

Flowers Sia.

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Thelnebriati · 25/02/2021 13:48

There used to be a shelter for Asian women at the end of my street, and also several groups to hep Asian women learn language, maths and life skills. They've all gone.

stumbledin · 25/02/2021 14:09

Thanks for the link Arabella - will share on facebook.

Its important to realise that this in fact is a nearly 50 year arc, and as with the Feminist Library part of the problem is that we didn't all think we need to keep being engaged at the grass roots level.

And without this local pressure on councils and MPs the very concept of women only has faded years ago. I was in a women's group that lost its funding in the late 80s (from a Labour Council) because they said women only was now a redundant concept.

Initially funding was given to groups because the very fact of their speciality was what the council was purchasing. This applied to BME groups as much as women's groups. But eventually over time funders then felt they "owned" the concept because they were financing it.

In fact there were some women who said this was in fact what funding was about. It was to undermine and destablise groups. Another tactic was to encourage groups to grow, and throw in if not free low rent council accomodation. In no time you had women's groups with a Director and tiers of staff. Then in a pincer movement funding would be cut and the council would demand commercial rent. So what had been a quite stable service was suddenly undermined but in the intervening period the fact that it appeared stable meant local support had fizzled away.

And I think it is really important to realise, however much it is unpleasant to realise, is that by and large the vast majority of people, let alone decision makers bought into the women only concept. They may have paid lip service to it, but never put any effort into sustaining it.

If only trans concepts had proved to be only a temporaty flavour of the month. In fact they may have learnt from how easily the political establishment entrapped then discarded both BME and women's groups that they set about their now decades old entryism and private networking with decision makers.

Most women's groups have survived by going under the radar. Those that have survived have done so by making compromising, or even taking on the attitudes of predatory HAs that gobble everything up. ie rape crisis provision in London, created by lobbying a Tory mayor, was in fact not reward to local voluntary groups in line with rape crisis groups around the country, but became "add ons" to the conglomorate WAs in London.

And of course added into this is the entrenched sexis that of course men shouldn't have to look after themselves, no blame should be attached to men not getting off their backsides and setting up their own refuges and support lines. It is women's fault for not doing the work for men.

How little, despite the surperficial veneer of progress, have times changed.

334bu · 25/02/2021 16:13

Have the BBC made any mention of this? Or should we not hold our breath?

BlackForestCake · 25/02/2021 17:24

I suspect the SNP MPs criticising this are just scoring political points against a Labour-run council, though I would be delighted to be wrong.

FindTheTruth · 25/02/2021 18:41

If JK Rowling were made a peer she'd be in the company of other people who believe in equality and speak up against the dehumanisation of women.

Quote from Maya tweet Things have moved on since the "gender neutral" protocol. We are on a slippery slope to complete debasement of language - chestfeeder, menstruators, uterus havers - demeaning to women (I hope @jk_rowling is watching!!)

FindTheTruth · 25/02/2021 18:42

Whoops wrong thread

Gtfcovid · 05/06/2021 07:41

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I’ve just heard that a group of girls from a local school have won a £3000 donation to Motherwell and District Women’s Aid through the YPI (youth philanthropy initiative) scheme. So, some good news for them.

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 08:09

Oh, that's fab, Gtf. Grassroots funding coming in to help when the powers that be fail.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/07/2022 10:58

Scottsh govt Independent Strategic Review of Funding and Commissioning of Violence Against Women and Girls Services: call for evidence deadline 1st August. Opportunity to raise this?

Cailleach1 · 28/07/2022 12:29

Just out of interest, would SACRO (having been allocated the Women's refuge funding) take victims of domestic violence too. Say they were in crisis and needed a bed. I can't see if it is only offenders who can will be supported by SACRO.

Cailleach1 · 28/07/2022 12:29

female victims, I mean.