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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keir Starmer on Sophy Ridge

279 replies

EdgeOfACoin · 21/02/2021 09:10

On just now.

Asked about trans rights. Said that they didn't go far enough and the current process to transition is demeaning.

Criticised both sides (ie TRAs and feminists) for 'tearing lumps' out of each other.

Expressed sympathy for women who were victims of domestic violence but refused to say whether refuges should be single-sex or not (fence-sitting).

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Justhadathought · 06/03/2021 10:30

Labour is not in power and Keir Starmer is not the Prime Minister.
Start pressuring the people who do have the power to make meaningful changes - and won't. I wonder why that is

Tell us why you think?

I suggest that this craze has swept up the whole of society; and has almost arrived full blown. As with covid, individual governments have been swept up too - often contrary to their core political or social beliefs.

The thing with Labour is that it is now actively pushing this thing and declaring organisations such as WPUK hate groups. The Greens are also a lost cause at present, and the lib -Dems are perhaps even more fundamentally the worst on this issue - due their core liberal philosophy.

Nobody is going to vote for an organisation that is so actively pushing this thing

Justhadathought · 06/03/2021 10:30

You tell us why you think it is.....

MoleSmokes · 06/03/2021 16:30

Justhadathought -

"Christopher Chope is a Conservative; Sue Pascoe is a Conservative; Christine Burns is a Conservative; Penny Mordaunt is a Conservative; Maria Millar is a Conservative. The Conservative party have the same problem as all the other main political parties: they are just better at hiding it - why else is Boris Johnson never asked his opinion on trans and women's rights, despite being the Prime Minister?"

I don't think anyone is in any doubt that the Tories include some who consistently push for trans rights to over-ride women's existing legal rights. They are hardly "better at hiding it" when Penny Mordaunt and Maria Miller were promoted to roles where they were able to very publicly shit on women, and continue to do so, eg. Penny Mordaunt's contributions to the debate on the MOMA Bill in The Commons.

Interesting question about Boris Johnson. Who are you thinking of who never asks BJ his opinion on these issues? From the context, you seem to be asking why Tory MPs and Conservative Party members are not quizzing BJ - have I understood you correctly? If so, why do you think they would not push him on this?

Or do you mean the Press? It has been suggested that BJ gets an easy ride from the press generally because he is a Journalist. Does that still hold water? If so, then shyness about pressing him on these issues could just be part of a general pattern.

"Boris Johnson and the limits of journalism"
www.cjr.org/the_profile/boris-johnson.php

Or maybe an unwillingness by fellow journalists to prod him to take sides on something that might be a source of disagreement between BJ and CS, his fiancée and mother of his child?

The trans lobby was in 10 Downing St pushing their cause as soon as the election result was in but do not seem to have made much headway in No 10 so far. Word was that Dominic Cummings was solidly anti-woke so would not have been impressed. Boris appointed Andrew Gilligan, journalist and consistent critic of gender ideology, as Transport Advisor. The press reported that it was Boris who decided the GRA Reforms should be scrapped. Meanwhile, Carrie Symonds is allegedly Ms Woke personified.

Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch both are holding a strong line against Identity Politics - the worry is that if they are moved that IdPol enthusiasts might replace them.

"Start pressuring the people who do have the power to make meaningful changes - and won't."

There has certainly been a lot of support from Mumsnetters for people who do have the power to make meaningful changes - and have actually done it. Both in The Commons and The Lords.

There are also lots of people here reporting back after contacting their MPs of all parties. Very few positive responses, unfortunately.

There are organised, unofficial groups for members of all parties lobbying for women's rights within their own parties. All the affiliated groups have been captured, of course.

Compare "Conservatives for Women" conservativesforwomen.org campaigning for women's rights ( conservativesforwomen.org/declaration ) with the "Conservative Women's Organisation" (affiliated to the Conservative Party, open to "all genders" and the most recent article a puff-piece about Sue Pascoe, Area Chairman of North and East Yorkshire CWO).

A big difference between the Tories and the other parties represented in Parliament is that politicians who support women's rights have their critics within their own parties but if they are Tories they are not threatened with expulsion, suspension, demotion or deselection.

Something that the Government is not doing, and that it could and should be doing, is to instruct the Government Equality Office and the Equality and Human Rights Commission (funded by the GEO) to publicise the guidance on the EA2010 that they were forced to correct after issuing false and misleading guidance for over 10 years.

It says 6 years in this article but was later found to be 10 years:

"The 2010 Equality Act Is Being Undermined by Official Guidance"
March 6, 2020 Ann Sinnott

uncommongroundmedia.com/the-2010-equality-act-is-being-undermined-by-official-guidance/

The past and current campaigns by Ann Sinnott, the Authentic Equality Alliance and Fair Play for Women on this issue have been supported, including donations to crowd-funding, by women on FWR.

There has been so much campaigning from both outside and within the Conservative Party. Were you unaware of this?

You mention the LibDems being incorrectly described as "Far Left", IIRC. I missed that comment but I would agree with you - to an extent. A related issue is that we do not have the right words readily to hand to describe how the parties now compare politically.

The Left-Right axis has traditionally referred to a mix of economic policies and cultural values. Hard-line "Identity Politics" can been seen operating on both the Far Right and the Far Left. The extreme "woke manifestation" of Identity Politics has its roots in Cultural Marxism (and post-modernism).

Whatever their economic policies it is not unreasonable to characterise the LibDems, Greens, SWP and Plaid Cymru as "Far Left" in terms of the embedding of Identity Politics.

The UK Greens were infiltrated by Communist Party members from the mid 80's onwards so that might have something to do with their worshipping at the IdPol shrine. The LibDems have received large donations from pharma companies profiting from "transgender medicine" so maybe their stance is influenced by financial considerations rather than political infiltration? Some would argue that Identity Politics combined with the nationalist agendas of the the SWP and Plaid Cymru tip those parties across the horseshoe where Far Left and Far Right are neighbours.

The Conservative Party seems to be relatively immune to Identity Politics in general. Maybe that is what is keeping the lid on a major eruption of Gender Ideology that would otherwise have already overwhelmed it?

Side note: Spectator article by James Kirkup about BJ and Keir Starmer:

"Why I’m glad Boris and Starmer are sitting out the trans rights war"
3 August 2020
archive.is/NaPTk

MoleSmokes · 06/03/2021 16:34

Oops - my reply above should have been to Tanith.

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