Anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere comes under attack

[JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown]

Again. I know Hibo has put out more than one video clarifying that her focus is on women and girls and on stopping FGM, but she did another one last night after being piled on and called a hater for not being 'inclusive' in her language.
mobile.twitter.com/HiboWardere/status/1362100744216866825
I am bloody angry about it this morning.
Hibo Wardere is a personal hero of mine for the amazing work she's done.
Attacking her for not focusing on other issues is the lowest of the low. The misogyny is rank.
(Also, if anyone hasn't got her book 'Cut' on their feminist book shelf, I really do recommend it. It's not an easy read but I found her journey incredibly inspiring).

@Sophoclesthefox

You genuinely don’t have the first idea how you come across, do you, dadjoke?

I have a pretty good idea how I come across to GC feminists.

I'm suggesting that the number of trans men who suffer FGM in Somalia is about the same proportion in the population in the UK, not that trans men in the UK are likely to have FGM. In the absence of other data, it's a reasonable assumption

Children are taken abroad for FGM, from Britain and elsewhere.

It is girls who are subject to FGM, not transmen. FGM has got nothing to do with gender identities. You cannot identify out of it; although it wouldn't surprise me if some wouldn't be tempted to try.

Reminds me of this, written by the woman who is being persecuted at Bristol university.

dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/gender/white-feminism-thing-gender-identity-ideology-epitomizes/

@Justhadathought

You are wrong. They center men, but acknowledge that trans women also suffer from prostate cancer

And by doing so acknowledge that however someone identifies it does not change their sex.

You see, they are doing it right because they are centering men. There's a little token nod to Transmen, but it's all about MEN. Anything that is about women, centering women, with even a token nod to transwomen, isn't enough and will never be enough because it always has to centre men.

@Helleofabore
I was told that Hibo mentioning trans men would "hamper her efforts." I don't think that's true. I wasn't discussing the rights or wrongs of it. I am not one of the people tweeting at Hibo. I'd rather she was allowed to get on with it.

I support campaigns against FGM. Like anyone, I get to pick which charities I support.

One of my friends is a feminist journalist who spent many months in Somalia investigating FGM, and her stories were horrifying. The social and economic pressure to comply was horrendous, which is why I started donating to this cause

I'll say again:

I think Hibo does good work.
I think transgender people and their allies should direct their attention elsewhere.
It would be great if Hibo included trans men in her feminism, but this isn't a big deal to me personally.

I'm not a "GC feminist". The label pyramid selling industry you work in is at war with everyone. Your product isn't selling particularly well.

Trying to get Hibo Wardere to cross sell your identity labels for you is trying to multi level marketise FGM. It's pretty grim.

One of my friends is a feminist journalist who spent many months in Somalia investigating FGM, and her stories were horrifying. The social and economic pressure to comply was horrendous, which is why I started donating to this cause

That sounds interesting. Can you link up any of the articles that they wrote?

It would be great if Hibo included trans men in her feminism, but this isn't a big deal to me personally

I am sure she is supportive of all women and girls who have been subject to FGM, however they now identify.

The huge explosion in young women transitioning is primarily due to the lack of positive cultural affirmation and positive role models for young gender non conforming girls and lesbians; or quite often non conformity due to autism. To be then caught up in a culture in which the ideology of transgenderism has become mainstream, and enabled.

Girls, by and large, are post pubertal transitioners, usually after they have first come out as lesbians. FGM mostly happens before this.

Amazing ally. Thank you for sharing the link @Lit

@Scepticaltank

I'm not a "GC feminist". The label pyramid selling industry you work in is at war with everyone. Your product isn't selling particularly well.

Trying to get Hibo Wardere to cross sell your identity labels for you is trying to multi level marketise FGM. It's pretty grim.

The commonly understood meaning of a gender crtitical feminist in recent years is that they believe trans men are not men, with all follows from that. Not all people who believe that would describe themselves as feminist. I am guessing you are a feminist who doesn't think trans men are men. If you aren't in that category, then I apologise.

I do not want to "get" Hibo Wadere to do anything.

I suppose some people who suffered FGM could transition.

One of my friends is a feminist journalist who spent many months in Somalia investigating FGM, and her stories were horrifying. The social and economic pressure to comply was horrendous, which is why I started donating to this cause

Feminist campaigning against FGM has been going on for decades. Long before the advent of contemporary transgenderism.

I suppose some people who suffered FGM could transition

I'm sure. The traumas of being a girl have inflicted enough damage upon them.

Quite

The commonly understood meaning of a gender crtitical feminist in recent years is that they believe trans men are not men, with all follows from that

No, that's not quite right.

The GC position is that gender is a social construct. Gender roles and identities are to do with social and cultural factors. Stereotypes and characterisations based on restrictive labelling and expectations.

I do not want to "get" Hibo Wadere to do anything.

That's hard to believe when you are here repeatedly shaming her for not doing a very specific something.

Oh, so now its Hibo's feminism thats under scrutiny, not her campaigning?

The GC position is that gender is a social construct. Gender roles and identities are to do with social and cultural factors. Stereotypes and characterisations based on restrictive labelling and expectations

Biological sex is not the same as a gender identity. Not everyone has a gender identity. It is a recent construct that not all subscribe to. If you feel you have one, then you do for as along as you feel that. That identity tends to be based on characteristics and stereotypes that relate to social expectations around biological sex. The rejection of some, and the embracing of others.

People have always done this, though. what they have not done before, en masse, is submit to puberty blockers, hormones and life changing surgeries which, in essence, damage the body and disrupt its natural rhythms

@Helleofabore

One of my friends is a feminist journalist who spent many months in Somalia investigating FGM, and her stories were horrifying. The social and economic pressure to comply was horrendous, which is why I started donating to this cause

That sounds interesting. Can you link up any of the articles that they wrote?

She spoke to me in person about her experiences. I assume she wrote something, though it won't be English language. I can't find it on google, so I've asked her.

@Justhadathought

The commonly understood meaning of a gender crtitical feminist in recent years is that they believe trans men are not men, with all follows from that

No, that's not quite right.

The GC position is that gender is a social construct. Gender roles and identities are to do with social and cultural factors. Stereotypes and characterisations based on restrictive labelling and expectations.

But you do think that trans men are women, right?

I assume she wrote something, though it won't be English language. I can't find it on google, so I've asked her.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

@litcritchick thank you for that linked article!

Dr Bowers is doing amazing work. She has no problem with saying it is an issue that girls and women face. All credit to her.

I missed the article @LitCritChick posted and it's now been deleted if pm'ing of the article is allowed I'd love to read it!

Dr Bowers is Jazz Jennings surgeon.(one of them)