How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

[hallouminatus]

On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

I don’t identify as cisgender. I AM a woman.

@OnceUponANightmare

It seems to be aimed at validating the made up idea of gender by forcing women to subscribe to one when most women seem to want nothing to do with these stereotypes. It's coercive and also quite childish and transparent.

Although not transparent enough, apparently.

Individuals can call themselves what they want and that is their business but labeling others as cis women is offensive to me, and by the look of this thread to a lot of other women.

The way I see it:
Transgender is I believe a protected characteristic under the equality act 2010, therefore TWATW, TGATG, TMATM and TBATB. I have nothing against that because that is reality.
However, "sex" is also a protected characteristic, therefore girl/woman = human female, boy/man = human male.

I should have added. I think it is an insult to insist TWAW and then start using the term "Cis"women.

Transgender is I believe a protected characteristic under the equality act 2010,

Gender reassignment is the protected characteristic.

I honestly haven't a clue what cisgender means

Heck no. I'm female. A woman, absolutely not a "girl". Not "cisgender".

To those who have said they are cisgender or identify as cis can you explain to me why? I am here for debate too but I've only heard one side of the argument.

Hepsie

Thanks for that. I should have double checked. I wonder how many people actually go through gender reasignment.

I never use the word

It annoyed me that an application asked if I was ‘female (cisgender)’ so I didn’t tick it

I don't know what cis means.

I don't know what cis means

I've just looked at stonewall's info page.

Apparently Cis means "not trans", so they seem to think that trans is the norm.

Can't say that I am surprised.

Thing is back in the day trans meant transitioning

So a man transitioning into a woman (whether you believe that or not)

Now it makes a lot less sense and means you can change the identification (or not) of 50% of woman to cis, so now just another subset of women

Basically

andyoldlabour

Hepsie

Thanks for that. I should have double checked. I wonder how many people actually go through gender reasignment.

The Equality Act definition of the protected characteristic of 'gender reassignment' is very broad: you don't have to actually go through anything at all, as I understand it.

I don't identify as anything in terms of "gender identity." I don't believe in such a thing. What pisses me off though is that trans people and their allies are allowed to label us "cis" against our will and we're not allowed to object. Exactly contrary to what they claim to believe.

That's pretty transphobic tbh if you think their whole existence needs to be based on a lie that must never be revealed.

I don't believe that.

I respect your desire to avoid time wasting, but as you cannot explain what ‘Cis’ means, I don’t know why you wasted time posting in the first place.

Thank you for respecting that. :)

Cis is the antonym of trans. I posted because responses so far were very uniform.

The Equality Act definition of the protected characteristic of 'gender reassignment' is very broad: you don't have to actually go through anything at all, as I understand it

Appreciate that, although the trans umbrella is so huge it pretty much includes the whole world and their dog. And it's not that broad. Although it is too broad.

Thanks for that. I should have double checked. I wonder how many people actually go through gender reasignment.

I guess it depends what is actually meant by gender reassignment. I would say it should be penis removal. But obviously the majority of transwomen keep their penis. Which to my mind means they haven't reassigned at all and there is nothing that separates them from men.

I guess it depends what is actually meant by gender reassignment

The Y chromosome is there for life, surgery or not. Even removing body parts doesn't reassign that.

Cisgender is a bloody insult.

@mayjaye

That's pretty transphobic tbh if you think their whole existence needs to be based on a lie that must never be revealed.

I don't believe that.

I respect your desire to avoid time wasting, but as you cannot explain what ‘Cis’ means, I don’t know why you wasted time posting in the first place.

Thank you for respecting that. :)

Cis is the antonym of trans. I posted because responses so far were very uniform.

Cis is NOT the antonym of trans in this field. It is a term that was originally used in a scientific scenario which has been appropriated by the trans lobby in order to prop up the belief that there are biological women who ‘identify’ as such, then there is another type of woman, one that ‘identifies’ as one but was biologically born male. I am NOT cis. I am a woman. I don’t ‘identify’ as one. I am one. An Adult Human Female. There are many different variations of AHFs, all to do with physical characteristics that a female is born with, eg skin, hair and eye colour; height; foot size; hair type; no AHFs are male.

@andyoldlabour

The way I see it: Transgender is I believe a protected characteristic under the equality act 2010, therefore TWATW, TGATG, TMATM and TBATB. I have nothing against that because that is reality. However, "sex" is also a protected characteristic, therefore girl/woman = human female, boy/man = human male.

The protected characteristics are:

age
disability
gender reassignment
marriage and civil partnership
pregnancy and maternity
race
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation

However even the EHRC cant stick to the correct definitions. It talks about gender being assigned at birth. I don't know about anyone else, but nowhere on my birth certificate does it state my gender. Only my sex.

Cis is the antonym of trans.

But both imply identification with cultural and social expectations of a gender. This is the part that many (most?) people on this forum find mystifying.

I am a woman.

If I could identify as anything it would be a pedigree pet cat as mine seem to have an ideal life. I suspect that if I tried to eat tuna from a bowl on the floor and shit in a litter tray my partner would leave me so for now I’m keeping my animal identity in the closet.