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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fair Cop Court of Appeal 8-10 March

382 replies

Spero · 17/02/2021 10:49

Please save the date! This is such an important hearing for freedom of speech, particularly around the issues of sex and gender.

The hearing will be for 1 1/2 days some time between 8-10 March, we don't have an exact listing yet.

Hopefully there will be some live tweeting.

Do support if you can.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1361820204649639951?s=20

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Xanthangum · 17/02/2021 11:02

Thanks for the heads up

Spero · 17/02/2021 13:25

Thanks to having a teenager in the house I have also done my very first TikTok!

twitter.com/wearefaircop/status/1362028297232781313?s=12

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Joisanofthedales · 17/02/2021 13:27

I've been digging in Harry's garden

Spero · 17/02/2021 13:31

Thank you! A lovely day for some light spade work.

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Oldstyle1 · 17/02/2021 13:32

Thank you. I'll clean up my trowel.

gardenbird48 · 17/02/2021 14:49

great to hear that it's going ahead - Harry sounded a bit doubtful a few weeks ago on Facebook.

It must take away so much from trying to lead your life as well. I'll get digging :¬))

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/02/2021 15:19

Thanks Spero

SunsetBeetch · 17/02/2021 15:28

Ooh I'm excited and nervous!

Spero · 17/02/2021 15:36

The only thing that is currently doubtful I think is the exact start time - apparently we have 1 1/2 days anytime between the 8th and 10th March. I really, really hope it starts on the 9th as I think I am in another remote court on the 8th.

Its so important. None of us can work out how Mr Justice Knowles was so clear about Humberside breaching Harry's Article 10 rights but at the same time was prepared to find the guidance was ok.

But even if Harry loses, his case doesn't touch at all on the Article 8 or data protection law arguments, which mine does - so I hope mine can then go ahead.

I don't know if Harry will have the energy to go to the Supreme Court if he gets knocked back - but surely the most efficient and sensible way to deal with all this is to wrap up all three cases (Harry, me and Miss B) and hear them in the Supreme Court.

Fingers firmly crossed for victory. If Maya can win at the EAT, Allison at the ET and Keira Bell at the CoA then that sends a very, very, very clear message that I do not think can be ignored a moment longer.

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Manderleyagain · 17/02/2021 17:10

Thanks. Good luck! Which case is Miss B? I have forgotten.

There is also the judicial review of the prison service policy which was supposed to be happening about now.

Spero · 17/02/2021 20:48

Miss B is the teenage girl who made her application to challenge the Hate Crime Guidance about the same time as me in Jan, so we are hoping to be heard together.

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Fallingirl · 17/02/2021 23:28

but surely the most efficient and sensible way to deal with all this is to wrap up all three cases (Harry, me and Miss B) and hear them in the Supreme Court.

I don’t have a clue how this works. Would it not be better to have three chsnces of winning, than putting them all together and risk everyone losing?

Spero · 18/02/2021 10:20

It sadly doesn't work like that.

Harry made his application ages ago and there was further delay while the Supreme Court decided if they were going to hear it - they decided no. So doesn't look as if Court of Appeal will want to wait to see what happens to me and Miss B.

Court of Appeal will therefore rule on Harry's case which is purely Article 10 based; i.e. guidance infringes his right to protected political speech and there is no proportionate justification for it (police have confirmed they do not monitor which 'hate incidents' turn into 'hate crimes)

If he wins then there is no point in me or Miss B proceeding.

If he loses then there is still point in me and Miss B proceeding as we have different arguments - i am saying its a breach of Article 8 and data protection law and Miss B is arguing from the perspective of a child at school who doesn't want her school conversations recorded by police.

But if me and Miss B then lose and WE appeal it would make sense for all three cases to be bundled up and heard directly by the Supreme Court as we are all attacking the same thing, albeit at different angles.

But you don't keep getting extra bites at the cherry. if the CoA rule against Harry on Article 10, then that part of my argument about Article 10 in the High Court won't be heard - a higher court has already decided it.

It's clearly an important issue so i would have thought that it made sense to bundle all cases together and hear all the arguments at one time, rather than piecemeal. But its tricky as our applications are at such different stages - mine was only made in January 2021, Harry has been going for nearly 2 years now.

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Spero · 03/03/2021 13:20

Looks like it's 2pm start on Tuesday 9th - court wants an attended hearing but hopefully there will be a remote link for members of the public. Or I won't be able to tweet!!

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Xanthangum · 03/03/2021 13:54

Same day as the Fair Play For Women Census court case, no?

Spero · 03/03/2021 14:05

yes! It's all happening! Day after IWD also which is nice.

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Xanthangum · 03/03/2021 18:54

And Helen Staniland giving evidence to the House of Lords at 3pm on the same day as well. We are spoiled for choice!

Spero · 06/03/2021 15:49

I think this is significant - Fair Cop appeal has been deemed 'high profile and legally significant' so will be live streamed by the Court of Appeal at 2pm on March 9th.

Check out website nearer the time for details.
www.judiciary.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-court/court-of-appeal-home/the-court-of-appeal-civil-division-live-streaming-of-court-hearings/

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OhHolyJesus · 06/03/2021 17:27

Live streamed? Wow! Tuesday will be busy. I'll be watching. Thanks Spero.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 06/03/2021 17:33

This is great. I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome.
Its amazing. A few years ago, it felt like hardly anyone was talking about this outside of MN and now it feels like we're having court case after court case and judicial review after judicial review.
I know we've not won them all yet and there is still so much still to do, but it really does feel like the tide has turned.
Good luck on Tuesday. I'll be rooting for you.

McDuffy · 06/03/2021 17:35

Good luck Spero 💪**

Manderleyagain · 06/03/2021 17:57

Thanks I have looked up miss b's case. There is gardening & digging going on with that one two.

So is the Harry Court of appeal case live streamed as video? I will try and tune in to listen or watch, or at least follow the tweeting. Tuesday is a very big day. Well done to fair cop for progressing this case.

Thecatonthemat · 06/03/2021 18:03

Good luck to all involved.

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/03/2021 18:05

Good luck

Outbutnotoutout · 06/03/2021 18:12

Harry was amazing when I needed his help recently

Good luck 👍

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