50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel

[gardenbird48]

I saw 50:50 women tweet to Sue Pascoe Chair of the Conservative Women’s Organisation some time ago on their #askhertostand, but then I couldn’t find the tweet and thought maybe they’d realised their mistake (can you guess?) and deleted it.

However, how wrong I was! There are now two people that have extremely limited ‘lived experience’ as a female (Sue was a married father and successful businessman and Master to Foxhounds until a few years ago). The other person has said hi on here recently.

I don’t mean to be rude but surely the whole point of encouraging women to stand for Parliament is to help overcome the barriers women face in entering politics. Any barriers that trans people face are rather different. It is also interesting that on a panel of three for their ‘Encouraging LGBT+ Women to Stand’ campaign, there us only one person with actual lived experience of being a woman (I am hoping that Mandu Reid of the WEP was born female at least...??)

I am trying to wrap my head around how a transwoman can have the biological sex of a woman.

They can't.

Just trying out a temporary NC.

@ProseccoStormtrooper

Just trying out a temporary NC.

Nice

Classy

Suits you

Loving the name ProseccoStormtrooper!

We can all relate to that!

It occurred to me today, upon reflection on the nature of computer gaming; fantasy role play; Cos play cultures that 'Terfs' are the virtual on-line enemy to be defeated; appearing in the gamer's mind as the evil assailant - to be struck down; eradicated; and subject to ghoulish torture with a fantastical array of weaponry.

Stokey I'm struggling to understand some of today's post deletions. I'm raging with you.

Justhadathought

yes I can definitely see that.

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

This. Always keep this front of mind. The fact that it doesn't make sense is part of why it's all about power. There is no greater power than forcing or otherwise compelling people to repeat something they know to be a lie.

Aye.

It occurred to me today, upon reflection on the nature of computer gaming; fantasy role play; Cos play cultures that 'Terfs' are the virtual on-line enemy to be defeated; appearing in the gamer's mind as the evil assailant - to be struck down; eradicated; and subject to ghoulish torture with a fantastical array of weaponry.

I think you're onto something in terms of the conceptualisation of experiences, and many of these people live their lives mostly online, gaming long into the night every night, especially in these weird times.

It is certainly an interesting social phenomenon.

By including men in the definition of women, we cease to be able to understand and measure the issues women face

We cannot lobby about women’s issues because we are unable to name them; the language we use to describe ourselves is being eradicated eg cervix havers, menstruators, chest feeders

Women’s organisations are prioritising the hurt feelings of a minority of men over women’s and women’s officer posts are open to men who are not only do not understand women’s issues but are not interested in understanding them

We are fighting to save our sex based rights from men who would take them from us so don’t you dare come here and call us obsessed

@RobinMoiraWhite

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

For women like me this is a very real issue let me assure you.

@RobinMoiraWhite
No. HTH.

@RobinMoiraWhite

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

No.

I know people have been forced out of political parties because they wanted to talk about how domestic violence affected them and why it therefore made it important for them to have an ability and place to separate from males because of this past trauma for certain reasons.

We are also seeing a movement of denying the role that childbearing has on the opportunities women has. Women who shoulder the bulk of childcare (especially if they are single) and can't attend meetings in person as a result because its not practical / cost prohibitive to obtain childcare.

Instead we are having males insist they are female and our concerns about how they are minimising / belittling / dismissing our issues with the click of their fingers - and taking a woman's voice away. Males insisting they are female when they are not makes it more difficult for women to talk.

And THAT is what this thread is about. Not some anti-trans agenda. But how women come second and how its too easy to simple ignore what women are saying over and over and over again because it doesn't suit the agenda of males.

It's a no from me too.

@RobinMoiraWhite

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

No

But is this because of the argument that penises can be female? Is claiming to be biologically female when you are a natal male the next new way of redefining what it is to be a woman....?

There are a couple of high profile formerly self-proclaimed anti-feminist MRAs who have transitioned in recent years and are now prominent activists. The other one actually wrote, 'if you can't beat them (feminists), put a dress on and join them'.

People are so naive.

@RobinMoiraWhite have you read this article before? It might help you understand what is going on here.
www.feministcurrent.com/2017/07/26/white-feminism-thing-gender-identity-ideology-epitomizes/

Its not about identity. Its about power.

How many times does this need to be repeated?

Barracker's point about the power imbalance of censorship neatly sums this up.

Women do not have power.

To go back to reference the Liberal Democrats, there is another issue here.

The LDs have a chronic issue with their LGBT wing and no lesbians. As in homosexual female lesbians of the actual lawful lesbian kind. Why? This needs to be seen in the context of one of their representatives kicking up a fuss on here because they don't think the 50:50 is giving them enough voice and is transphobic. But where are all the lesbians? This is a group within a political party thats having an issue with internal membership - so why are they qualified to give advice / opinions on anything?

@RobinMoiraWhite

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

But the longer answer is this. If men can identify as women and take places reserved for women, for example in this event and in other areas such as sports teams, why do you not view this as a 'real issue' facing women in our society?

We are being erased and sidelined more than ever by having our opportunities stolen from us. It is a very real issue indeed for women.

Perhaps if you could find it in yourself to show some empathy for women, you would understand this without it having to be spelled out to you.

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion

If focussing on males usurping women on shortlists, sports etc and males putting women in physical danger by advocating for policies which will allow any males who wish to enter spaces where women are vulnerable, are not important enough issues? in your opinion, could you possibly tell us mere females what the males of the species think are the main issues?