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50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel

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gardenbird48 · 15/02/2021 18:28

I saw 50:50 women tweet to Sue Pascoe Chair of the Conservative Women’s Organisation some time ago on their #askhertostand, but then I couldn’t find the tweet and thought maybe they’d realised their mistake (can you guess?) and deleted it.

However, how wrong I was! There are now two people that have extremely limited ‘lived experience’ as a female (Sue was a married father and successful businessman and Master to Foxhounds until a few years ago). The other person has said hi on here recently.

I don’t mean to be rude but surely the whole point of encouraging women to stand for Parliament is to help overcome the barriers women face in entering politics. Any barriers that trans people face are rather different. It is also interesting that on a panel of three for their ‘Encouraging LGBT+ Women to Stand’ campaign, there us only one person with actual lived experience of being a woman (I am hoping that Mandu Reid of the WEP was born female at least...??)

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2021 14:03

How to get more women into politics.

Have council meeting post covid that allow you to have the opportunity to attend meetings via zoom rather than in person (to eliminate child care issues).

A concerted crackdown on the abuse of public officials. Professional criticism yes is essential, but outright abuse particularly death, rape or violent threats.

But most importantly, political parties to actually give a shit about women rather than pandering to social media and lobby groups rather than real people.

MimiDaisy11 · 17/02/2021 14:07

[quote SunsetBeetch]And "bimbo pills" seems to be a common term. I don't know if it's better or worse than the alternative ("titty skittles ").

mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Bimbo%20pills&src=typed_query[/quote]
Thanks for reminding me why I left Twitter. Urgh, what misogynistic hypocritical weirdoes it's filled with.

BarbaraofKent · 17/02/2021 14:28

Woah

I missed the 'bimbo pills' thing.

Woah.......

Datun · 17/02/2021 14:34

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MaudTheInvincible · 17/02/2021 14:57

@persistentwoman

What a lot of sunlight this thread has shed. The fact that #nodebate isn't working has ramped up the tensions dramatically. An ideology that depends on overturning fundamental laws of science and biology while removing legal rights from other groups has to be enforced - it is the only way to get populations to comply with what they know is untrue. There's a reason that the judiciary, the police and education have been targeted so intensively.

Yes. The capture of public services was a strategic move.

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1362032434838204416?s=20

50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel
50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel
50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel
MaudTheInvincible · 17/02/2021 15:04

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ArabellaScott · 17/02/2021 15:13

BIMBO PILLS????

Fucksake.

BarbaraofKent · 17/02/2021 15:13

Yes, the whole thing has been very strategic. You can only deny females access to single sex spaces and facilities if you very aggressively force the concept of self id, and ensure that it permeates into all areas of public life and public psyche.

Otherwise it will not work.

RozWatching · 17/02/2021 15:15

"Check: skirt and heels - ladies!"

Ffs. Is that what the 50:50 organisers had in mind, stale old stereotypes?

Justhadathought · 17/02/2021 16:32

Rather a lot of posts deleted today?

Did I miss much?

Floisme · 17/02/2021 16:38

Yes I'm afraid you did, including things that can never be deleted from my head.

SunsetBeetch · 17/02/2021 16:40

I want what's left of my innocence back

Helmetbymidnight · 17/02/2021 16:59

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MaudTheInvincible · 17/02/2021 17:12

I saw that post 👆by Helmetbymidnight before it was deleted. Interesting to note what's being censored.

gardenbird48 · 17/02/2021 17:16

From the 50:50 Parliament website....

Why do we want a 50:50 Parliament?
Parliament is meant to be a representative institution. As a result, it should draw upon the widest possible pools of talent and experience reflecting our nation. There are 32 million women living in the UK, they account for 51% of the population. Women make a massive contribution to society in their paid and unpaid work. They merit fair representation and inclusion in the most important decision-making institution in our country.
All political parties and over 50,000 signatories to the 50:50 petition agree that a gender balanced Parliament would be more representative and better informed. 50:50 aims to inspire, encourage and support women in being elected to Westminster and is asking Parliament and all the political parties to work on solutions.
We need the best of both, men and women at Westminster. Let’s build a better democracy together!

it all sounds so reasonable (except for swapping gender and sex)

Does the gender of my MP matter (given UK is a representative democracy)?
It is true that MPs represent their constituents and men can represent women and women can represent men. But as Joni Lovenduski, Professor of Politics, Birkbeck, University of London observed in a paper she presented at the Speakers Conference 2012: “Evidence from more balanced legislatures than ours shows that as membership of women increases so does the sensitivity of male MPs to the range of women’s concerns. So men can act for women, but they may be more likely to do so when there are more women around.”

So they actually have evidence that sex matters.

It all sounds ideal, yet somehow they have done the mental gymnastics required to equate the situation women face with the life experience of people who have lived the vast majority of their lives as male and maybe unwittingly, or inadvertently, are totally raison d'etre for the 50:50 campaign.

Is it a sympathy position from successful women that feel like they have reached a privileged position in life and have rights to burn?

In a thread of 800+ posts with two helpful respondents putting forward their case, we still haven't established the tiniest justification for why people like Robin or Sue Pascoe can presume to speak for us or have any real inkling or interest in our challenges.

They have obviously faced their own, possibly significant challenges in life, but they are not our challenges. I will never experience the challenge of feeling like I am feeling wrong in a male body, or the challenge of how to tell my wife that I am leaving her to live a completely different life as a member of the opposite sex, or how to tell my children the same.

I will never experience what it is like to being treated better by society because I am male, regardless of whether I want to be male or not.

Looking at Sue's history, it is obvious that claiming to have a female identity while living in a male body, still doesn't negate the benefits of male socialisation and how society views you.

It very much appears that Sue, however reluctantly, has benefited greatly from the effects of male socialisation in their career progression - without any of the obstacles that women face.

So there is literally zero overlap between Sue's identity challenges and our 'being of the female sex' challenges - women generally don't even get as far as wondering about our identity - we are too busy dealing with the challenges of our sex.

conservativewomen.uk/articles/about-sue/

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CoffeeTeaChocolate · 17/02/2021 17:36

Maud, could you please PM me about the deleted post? I would be keen to know what it was

HighHeelBoots · 17/02/2021 17:51

I didn't realise it was possible to have conflicting sex characteristics and be able to father children
I believed that if you had puberty as expected there is no DSD
Can anyone confirm if that is the case?

gardenbird48 · 17/02/2021 18:29

@HighHeelBoots

I didn't realise it was possible to have conflicting sex characteristics and be able to father children I believed that if you had puberty as expected there is no DSD Can anyone confirm if that is the case?
a slightly different version here - traumatic childhood with an alcoholic mother, no mention of DSDs.

I don't know enough about DSDs to understand if they work like that. I can understand an abusive childhood that might lead a child to think there is something not right about them as they are...

I'm glad Sue seems to have found peace in their new persona but the trajectory of Sue's life bears no resemblance to any woman I know or have ever heard of.

eachother.org.uk/woman-trans-past-define-who-i-am/

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Mummyoflittledragon · 17/02/2021 18:33

I have read the whole thread now and watched / read the links, Twitter etc. The thread has been very interesting albeit quite upsetting at times. And brava for some really eloquent posts.

I am trying to wrap my head around how a transwoman can have the biological sex of a woman. I’ve never heard this before. I thought the argument was all about gender and penises being female.

But is this because of the argument that penises can be female? Is claiming to be biologically female when you are a natal male the next new way of redefining what it is to be a woman....?

If it is, then 50:50 will truly be meaningless.

Datun · 17/02/2021 18:38

@Mummyoflittledragon

I have read the whole thread now and watched / read the links, Twitter etc. The thread has been very interesting albeit quite upsetting at times. And brava for some really eloquent posts.

I am trying to wrap my head around how a transwoman can have the biological sex of a woman. I’ve never heard this before. I thought the argument was all about gender and penises being female.

But is this because of the argument that penises can be female? Is claiming to be biologically female when you are a natal male the next new way of redefining what it is to be a woman....?

If it is, then 50:50 will truly be meaningless.

You'll never wrap your head around it, because it is genuinely meaningless.

Certain male born individuals (not your average transsexual) have decided that sex is determined by the way you think. In which case your entire biological infrastructure does not determine what sex you are.

That's it.

You can start wrapping, but there's not enough wrapping in the universe to make sense of it. Because it's not about making sense.

It's about power.

PandorasMailbox · 17/02/2021 18:47

Are you getting it yet @RobinMoiraWhite?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 17/02/2021 18:49

@Darcinian

I was rudely awakened by the dustmen today even though it is not Wednesday.

I was looking through my memes and this one sprang to mind for no particular reason. I see it being used quite often on Twitter. I wonder why.

Like that Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 18:54

Is claiming to be biologically female when you are a natal male the next new way of redefining what it is to be a woman....?

Yes, it was the obvious next step.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 18:57

Because it's not about making sense.

It's about power.

This. Always keep this front of mind. The fact that it doesn't make sense is part of why it's all about power. There is no greater power than forcing or otherwise compelling people to repeat something they know to be a lie.

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