50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel

[gardenbird48]

I saw 50:50 women tweet to Sue Pascoe Chair of the Conservative Women’s Organisation some time ago on their #askhertostand, but then I couldn’t find the tweet and thought maybe they’d realised their mistake (can you guess?) and deleted it.

However, how wrong I was! There are now two people that have extremely limited ‘lived experience’ as a female (Sue was a married father and successful businessman and Master to Foxhounds until a few years ago). The other person has said hi on here recently.

I don’t mean to be rude but surely the whole point of encouraging women to stand for Parliament is to help overcome the barriers women face in entering politics. Any barriers that trans people face are rather different. It is also interesting that on a panel of three for their ‘Encouraging LGBT+ Women to Stand’ campaign, there us only one person with actual lived experience of being a woman (I am hoping that Mandu Reid of the WEP was born female at least...??)

What is the subject: Women in politics. Specifically in this case LGBT women. The lack of lesbian representation can not be ignored. And that comes back to the issue with Stonewall and the issue of lesbians being forced back into the closet by militant transactivism which redefines homesexuality as homogenderism which is institutionalised homophobia.

A subject you should be well informed about Robin.

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society.

is the underrepresentation of women in politics not a real issue?

women are massively underrepresented in politics compared to men, yet we should stand down and shut up while women's representation is decreased?

is that what you mean?

If this is gonna work you have got to listen!

Again. Power.

Always about power.

And how the sex with the XX chromosomes DON'T have it.

Interestingly gay males are one of the most overrepresented groups in parliament.

Why?

Do you think there is a connection there too?

@Helmetbymidnight

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society.

is the underrepresentation of women in politics not a real issue?

women are massively underrepresented in politics compared to men, yet we should stand down and shut up while women's representation is decreased?

is that what you mean?

Looks like it. Another variation on 'nothing to see here, move along'. Nope.

As an acolyte of our great leader, her Viperiness Barracker it’s still a no from me.
I would like to put a motion before the coven that her first teaching be officially recognised.

It's a no from me too.

I just don't see how this is any different to trans-racialism. Can you imagine if I, a white woman, put myself forward as the "BAME" representative of a political body, and then told all the black women who questioned it that I was perfectly capable of understanding their issues and representing them? Perhaps I might be perfectly sincere in my belief that I was one of them (having tripped and bumped my head, or something). Perhaps I had developed a complicated ideology whereby a black woman can be born in a white woman's body.

How is it different?

@lifeturnsonadime

Stokey I'm struggling to understand some of today's post deletions. I'm raging with you.

Great name lifeturnsonatime. You've cheered me up just knowing I'm not raging alone.

*dime

@RobinMoiraWhite

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

Radical feminists? I am not reading nigh on 900 posts from radical feminists.

May I suggest a better dictionary?

Now now ladies you know full well us mere women aren't allowed to say no!

Robin, I hope that you are coming from a good place and that you genuinely believe that you are doing a good thing.

But cannot you not see that women here believe in biology as a sole root of all patriarchal oppression? And that most of the obstacles we face are due to our biology (childbirth, maternity, vulnerability due to smaller size, rape)?

I have no doubt that you have faced a huge amount of obstacles in your life. But those obstacles are different from biological women’s.

If you were an ally, speaking about your experiences and helping biological women’s causes, I would welcome you. But to me, it appears that you have taken a seat from a biological woman and that you purport to speak for me.

Many women here are used to fight against the patriarchy and we are teaching our daughters to do the same. But it is a new hell if we are forced to “be kind” to any male who declares that they are a woman. Any male can at any time identify into a group which purports to be the most oppressed one. And transphobia is a hate crime but misogyny is not.

Please understand that this last statement not is about you but about the large amount of manipulative males out there that may take advantage of this ideology. It seems to me that trans women are more concerned about being perceived as women themselves than about potential risks to women and girls from other, “not the right kind” of trans people. I can understand that. We all have our own perspectives. But you are in a position of power and you purport to speak for women. Do you not see a conflict?

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society.

There is no bigger issue to me in our society than the loss of my rights to single sex spaces because the implications of that are so enormous that I cannot bear to think about the impact on already vulnerable and marginalised women.

So, no. The fact that you don't see this is possibly because your life experiences are not the same as mine, Robin. Every female woman understands it.

@bourbonne

I just don't see how this is any different to trans-racialism. Can you imagine if I, a white woman, put myself forward as the "BAME" representative of a political body, and then told all the black women who questioned it that I was perfectly capable of understanding their issues and representing them? Perhaps I might be perfectly sincere in my belief that I was one of them (having tripped and bumped my head, or something). Perhaps I had developed a complicated ideology whereby a black woman can be born in a white woman's body.

How is it different?

It's not.

It's another No from me.

I am so angry right now.

Why are you not listening?

Do you really care so little about women?

i have to say though robin, yours and jaz's posts have convinced me beyond any doubt that this is one struggle women absolutely cant afford to lose- so many thanks for that.

Some trans women have the view that radical feminists are obsessed with trans women rather than focussing on the many real issues facing women in our society. Would the fact that this thread will shortly pass 900 posts tend to support that opinion?

Don't look over here, look over there.

Fancy you silly wimmin thinking that your erasure in language, legislation and culture is real. It must all be in your imaginations.

Well I'm now finally, absolutely convinced that there is no point whatsoever in trying to negotiate with or be heard by those driving this agenda in the hope of some understanding or consensus being possible. It isn't. It's not possible. Waste of time and effort.

The people worth explaining this to, repeatedly, why this does not work and why the interests of two separate groups must not be conflated and indeed must now be intentionally separated and met in different ways, is everybody else. My time and energy goes to them, where there is some hope of making some difference for women.

"Obsessed with", dear me.
Do you count 'posting on threads about changing the meaning of your sex class, your place in law, safety and dignity' as 'unable to care about any other issues in society'?
Is that honestly the argument of a barrister?

And by the way, posts can be deleted, posts about those posts can be deleted, but I will never forget what was said about women using the definition of female.

Please can we all be careful, no matter how exasperated, not to push this thread to be deleted. It is extremely useful evidence for someone objective to see for themselves how fair representation or being listened to or respected as equals or even acknowledged as capable of identifying their own feelings and priorities correctly is affected by this situation. Transwomen need their own political seats and representations for transwomen's voices and interests. Women's seats and representations need to be held by women. Neither group should be speaking for the other.