50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel

[gardenbird48]

I saw 50:50 women tweet to Sue Pascoe Chair of the Conservative Women’s Organisation some time ago on their #askhertostand, but then I couldn’t find the tweet and thought maybe they’d realised their mistake (can you guess?) and deleted it.

However, how wrong I was! There are now two people that have extremely limited ‘lived experience’ as a female (Sue was a married father and successful businessman and Master to Foxhounds until a few years ago). The other person has said hi on here recently.

I don’t mean to be rude but surely the whole point of encouraging women to stand for Parliament is to help overcome the barriers women face in entering politics. Any barriers that trans people face are rather different. It is also interesting that on a panel of three for their ‘Encouraging LGBT+ Women to Stand’ campaign, there us only one person with actual lived experience of being a woman (I am hoping that Mandu Reid of the WEP was born female at least...??)

Does saying "Parklife" get you deleted? Asking for a friend.

Yes? And? It is a fact of many people. See above as to the answer I'll be giving on the census. And my body is exactly that. My body

fair enough - the more Jaz's that hide their trans status, the more women there will be funding for in healthcare etc. Sadly they will think there are far fewer trans people than previously imagined who do have very specific health requirements that are entirely different to women. So funding for trans healthcare will be dropped.

Government statisticians might be a little mystified when the birth rate (compared with the number of women in the uk) suddenly drops and they may not realise that it is because an unknown but statistically significant number of 'women' have the type of body that was not designed to have babies. So they might invest more in fertility research and better treatments for women which will be quite nice.

The number of males registered will go down so research into their diseases and conditions will receive less funding and prominence and because women are proportionately greater population we will demand more representation politically and gain more power.

This might also reduce the influence that what has turned out to be statistically a miniscule group of people can have on the law and organisations will wonder why hospitals are paying Stonewall £2500+ VAT per year to advise them on how to treat trans people because statistically that they are likely never to come across because the numbers will be so vanishingly small.

Trans people accuse us of 'refusing to recognise their existence' all the time (incorrect) but trans people seem rather determined to erase their own existence in the Census and Stonewall are encouraging it - has Stonewall had this game plan all along ....??

Go ahead Jaz, fill in your sex on the census as female, it will benefit women as a sex class.

This could be the breakthrough we need!!

No from me too, another Adult Human Female.

Tinsel.

I feed the pigeons I sometimes feed the sparrows too
It gives me a sense of enormous well-being

I mean, who actually believes this nonsense?

@picklemewalnuts

I mean, who actually believes this nonsense?

Politicians it seems.

I was rudely awakened by the dustmen today even though it is not Wednesday.

I was looking through my memes and this one sprang to mind for no particular reason. I see it being used quite often on Twitter. I wonder why.

Does saying "Parklife" get you deleted? Asking for a friend.

Don’t know. But if you can read that whole post out in one breath I’ll buy you a drink when we finally get to meet up.

Apparently there's two types of women posting in this thread.

Those who can hear women saying NO and those who can't.

Boundaries are boundaries.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
He also said:
"The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye: the more light you shine on it, the more it will contract."

This is a movement that has managed to make women protecting their boundaries out to be bigots. It's a coup D'etat of considerable genius.

The answer is still no.

(Though I'm happy to call you she, if it makes you happy)

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

Does saying "Parklife" get you deleted? Asking for a friend.

Don’t know. But if you can read that whole post out in one breath I’ll buy you a drink when we finally get to meet up.

I think your money is safe on this occasion 😘

Very well said barracker

As usual 👏🏻

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No

I'm not sure the laws on free speech in all areas of the globe, but I am a citizen in a country where free speech is not a privilege, it is a RIGHT. In fact, it's the first right in our Bill of Rights. I'm not trying to play into American exceptionalism (which can be insulting and annoying), but as a citizen in a country with the right to free speech, I wouldn't ever wish it to be a mere privilege.

High five delphinium - in this case play the exceptionalism card for all it's worth. It's one of the aspects of your constitution I admire and envy.

I've decided on my tod that they aren't allowed to be a woman

It's not about being allowed, though. You can try and persuade people to allow you to be a crocodile or a pilot or a spacehopper or whatever you wish, if you're just discussing on the level of words. It won't change or affect material reality. I'm sorry if it causes you grief, I genuinely am. But women have enough to be getting on with fighting for our own, fairly recently won, rights. We are just not going to give them up because you demand them to be handed over, I'm afraid. All the best.

Hey, Jaz, I read all that you had to say.

No, you are not the same as me. I know that is upsetting for you, but, it is true. No amount of rhetorical questions or plain old rhetoric is going to change that.

Barracker yes to you.

I'm sure a judge recently said that no one has the right to be offended so I'm wondering why we are expected to keep silent if stating the truth offends others. Maybe if trans women identified and empathised with women they would understand why their demands affect women and their rights. I doubt you can act for women if you have not been socialised as one from birth

Thanks Barracker for asking the question and thanks to the respondents for being so clear. I think that's an eminently sensible position to take. I think if we all adopted the same approach, we could probably have some very useful and interesting on here

#bemorebarracker

Useful and interesting - fill in the blank I guess!

• and yes, Barracker, I'm with you.

*RobinMoiraWhite

'Free speech is a privilege (and it comes with responsibilities.)'

To say that men cannot turn into women is a statement of fact. As Galileo found being able to state scientific fact was an important element of free speech and until recently this basic statement was entirely unremarkable. It has only become so because of the demand that everyone concur with something they know to be untrue.

Honest speech isn't hate. But it would help enormously in resolving the tensions, including for transwomen, if we all spoke honestly.