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50:50 Parliament Campaign to Encourage Women in Politics now have TWO Transwomen on the Panel

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gardenbird48 · 15/02/2021 18:28

I saw 50:50 women tweet to Sue Pascoe Chair of the Conservative Women’s Organisation some time ago on their #askhertostand, but then I couldn’t find the tweet and thought maybe they’d realised their mistake (can you guess?) and deleted it.

However, how wrong I was! There are now two people that have extremely limited ‘lived experience’ as a female (Sue was a married father and successful businessman and Master to Foxhounds until a few years ago). The other person has said hi on here recently.

I don’t mean to be rude but surely the whole point of encouraging women to stand for Parliament is to help overcome the barriers women face in entering politics. Any barriers that trans people face are rather different. It is also interesting that on a panel of three for their ‘Encouraging LGBT+ Women to Stand’ campaign, there us only one person with actual lived experience of being a woman (I am hoping that Mandu Reid of the WEP was born female at least...??)

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WWJackieWeaverD · 16/02/2021 20:19

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Norma27 · 16/02/2021 20:22

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PopperUppleton · 16/02/2021 20:23

Barracker you really are my hero. Thank you

ProstheticConscience · 16/02/2021 20:29

I don't post in here very often but would like to say BRAVA to those adult human females posting here. Particularly to Barracker for her eloquence.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

lifeturnsonadime · 16/02/2021 20:30

Barracker - thank you. You are right we can't have a discussion about this without those basic understandings.

ValancyRedfern · 16/02/2021 20:31

This thread has in turn inspired and horrified me throughout the day. Thank you to all of the wonderful contributors. Eppur si muove.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 16/02/2021 20:35

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2021 20:36

I think Bewilderness needs a name check and a quick c and p on this thread.

  1. Women are responsible for what men do.
  2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
  3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
  4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
  5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
  6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.
  7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
  8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
  9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad. 11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men. 12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry. 13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves. 14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent. 15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others. 16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves. 17. Men are better at performing femininity than women are because they invented it and it gives them a boner.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/02/2021 20:45

It doesn't really matter what the law, or institutions like universities/schools/police/midwifery departments say a woman is. The fact is that sex matters. It's inescapable and unalterable and it will catch you up in the end.

A female person who takes cross sex hormones is risking the diseases we know are associated with premature menopause - that person (whether they are a trans man, a non binary female or a female athlete who is taking anabolic steroids) will affect their oestrogen levels and so will be at increased risk of coronary heart disease, dementia and osteoporosis, and she will definitely get vaginal atrophy.

A trans man presented in A+E in the USA with acute abdominal pain. Their sex had been changed on their records - so it took a while for the medics to realise that they were actually female, and pregnant, and sadly, that delay meant the baby died.

Another trans man had kidney problems - and was much more poorly than they realised because they were measuring his blood results against male markers, but, he was female. Landed up needing a transplant - and that may not have happened if they were using the correctly sexed chart.

Transwomen will have issues too, but, to be honest, I can't comment about them because I work in women's health, so trans women are out of my scope of practice.

We have a trans woman who regularly calls our department asking for help with her neovagina. She is angry that she cannot see a gynaecologist, reports us to everyone that she can. Of course, as the gynaecologist only has experience of female bodies and has absolutely nothing to offer a person with a neo-vagina, her request is politely, and repeatedly, denied. She wants validation, not help.

It seems to me that trans women who demand access to single sex spaces are more motivated by validation than anything else.

I am busy. I have no time to be spent validating trans women. You are not the same as me, I'm sorry that causes you pain, but, it is true.

No.

Impatiens · 16/02/2021 20:45

Fantastic contributions, makes me feel more resolved than ever.

TRA can say what they like, the answer will still be NO.

Anyoneelsewilldo · 16/02/2021 20:46

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SophocIestheFox · 16/02/2021 21:02

We all know what a woman is because we all came out of one.

It’s not a status that can be allowed or disallowed, you don’t get inducted in or kicked out. It’s just a statement of fact. It describes what I am, not who.

All the debate over how feminine a male person would have to be to qualify is like angels dancing on the head of a pin.

I’m sorry for those that that reality is distressing for. But it’s not in any of our power to change.

womanity · 16/02/2021 21:05

No.

#bemorebarracker

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2021 21:08

"Eppur si muove"

Faffertea · 16/02/2021 21:08

Barracker thank you for your eloquence. And in the spirit of being more Barracker I will also try and stop engaging with those posters.
To them, I shall simply say
No

Flapjak · 16/02/2021 21:08

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MrsWooster · 16/02/2021 21:09

Barracker is my new crush (for any male readers, this is when a girl has a usually non-sexual admiration on another, usually older, girl)

jayegee · 16/02/2021 21:11

@RobinMoiraWhite Great to see you on the panel alongside Mandu Reid! :)

StillAWoman2 · 16/02/2021 21:13

@Ereshkigalangcleg

London GP who came back as a woman and wrote about how validating it is to perform intimate examinations on women who had refused them as a man

Yes I remember that one.

Envy
Furx · 16/02/2021 21:16

Wow. Brilliant. This is fascinating. Some really incisive comments that get straight to the point.

Not like you joggers who go round and round and round....

SophocIestheFox · 16/02/2021 21:17

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fruitbrewhaha · 16/02/2021 21:18

Just having a read of JazSakuraRose's website and apparently GC women are racist! News to me.

"That TERFs are, by and large, racist and perfectly onboard with the idea of enforcing laws that would disproportionately affect PoC is no surprise. This has been the backbone of TERF ideology since the beginning — that PoC don’t matter to these so-called ‘feminists’ because “the racism they face has nothing to do with feminism”

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 16/02/2021 21:20

London GP who came back as a woman and wrote about how validating it is to perform intimate examinations on women who had refused them as a man

Two thoughts: (1) that is horrifying and that person has no business practicing medicine and (2) if this really happened - and is not just some man's fantasy - then it shows that the NHS is not listening to women.

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