Examples please of NHS women exclusive language

[CaptainNemosOtherHalf]

I am planning on discussing the eradication of the language of women and motherhood within the healthcare and the NHS with someone I know personally high up in the NHS. I’ll be able to be open and honest, but I need to be clear with what is happening and why it is a problem.

Please could you provide some examples, (including comparators where this is not done to men), why it is a problem and what needs to be done to stop this.

I.e Brighton

Chestfeeding - anatomically incorrect/ chest fluid would poison the baby/breast is gender neutral/babies cuddling at the breast bonds mother and child.

Removing the word maternity - removes the concept of motherhood - the most important relationship for the nurture of babies.

Many thanks.

https://www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/trying-for-a-baby/trying-to-get-pregnant/

If you are under 40 and have regular sex without using contraception, there is an 8 in 10 chance you will get pregnant within 1 year.

Even if you are a man? Or if you are a woman having sex with a woman?

Slightly different, but NHS online training modules routinely use 'she' as the caring person and 'he' as the cared-for person

There are some here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4162179-Cervix-havers-and-birthing-people-record-of-organisations-replacing-the-word-woman

CaptainNemos have a look at the efforts of women and clinicians fighting this in the South West.

Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire CCG have had to carry out a proper equality impact assessment and change their trans guidance. You can show your high-up NHS friend what happens when this stuff is pushed through without question - the CCG thought it was all signed off at the end of 2019 but the process is ongoing to this day:

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Thread here with whole background:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3784009-Are-you-in-Devon-Bristol-North-Somerset-or-South-Gloucestershire-Tell-NHS-your-view-on-trans-guidelines-NOW

Devon Partnership NHS Trust also undergoing review of its trans policy whidch allows male sex offenders on female wards.

Thanks all. Very useful.

Devon Partnership NHS Trust also undergoing review of its trans policy whidch allows male sex offenders on female wards.

OMG. What the hell is wrong with these people?

I wish I knew.

More info on Devon: grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/attention-women-in-devon

Devon Partnership NHS Trust also undergoing review of its trans policy whidch allows male sex offenders on female wards.

Also, why are males (not just rapists, which should be self evident) allowed on female wards? I thought they were supposed to be single sex?

Has the NHS called us people with a cervix etc?

Please include that email reply those of us who contacted the nhs website about the 8 out of 10 people getting pregnant page.

Also this page about being able to request a male or female gp states gender not sex and there is at least one transwoman gp who is listed as female so it’s misleading at best www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/nhs-services-and-treatments/can-i-choose-to-see-a-male-or-female-gp/

There's a poster on the wall in my GP surgery at the moment offering breastfeeding support for 'expectant parents.'

@AniseDanehill

There's a poster on the wall in my GP surgery at the moment offering breastfeeding support for 'expectant parents.'

I'm sure DH would have appreciated that

Thank you for raising it.
Also may be worth discussing that patient charities choosing to ignore biological sex risks defeating their independent support of NHS patients which could be vital in terms of peer support or other ongoing emotional support services etc. Eg cancer charities moving to ‘cervix havers’, maternity and neonatal charities moving exclusively to ‘parents’ instead of ‘women’ and ‘mothers’ etc
Very excluding of those with less familiarity with English language or for whatever reason like most of us who need plain and simple language to understand what services are available to them.

Eg cancer charities moving to ‘cervix havers’, maternity and neonatal charities moving exclusively to ‘parents’ instead of ‘women’ and ‘mothers’ etc

V useful. Can anyone point me to some direct examples?

On the plus side, the NHS is asking for people's sex when they sign up. 'We need to know this information so we can ask clinically relevant questions.' They're already under attack by TRAs.

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1360537496912859136?s=19

@CaptainNemosOtherHalf

Thanks all. Very useful.

Devon Partnership NHS Trust also undergoing review of its trans policy whidch allows male sex offenders on female wards.

OMG. What the hell is wrong with these people?

And offers to medicate them with anti-libidinous drugs if ‘they are deemed to be a risk’

The policy also states that in the event of any conflict in needs, the transgender patients wishes takes precedence in every situation. They also threaten staff with prosecution and a large fine if they discuss a patients trans status with anyone (like to explain why a bloke is in a female ward) and include part-time female identifying people in the policy. It’s a corker! I may be able to send you a copy if you are interested - it’s been withdrawn from the website ‘for review’

There are several recent FOI requests which give a flavour of how NHS policies affect women, here are a couple for background

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/delivering_single_sex_wards_dont

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/impact_assessments_of_protected#incoming-1510985

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/same_sex_staff_for_intimate_care

I’m so happy you’re doing this! I am currently arguing against ‘ gender inclusive language ‘ being forced on us when discussing breast feeding. It is definitely spreading through healthcare. Funny I’ve never seen any prostate cancer literature refer to anyone other than men. It’s only women being erased .

Funny I’ve never seen any prostate cancer literature refer to anyone other than men.

It's happening, but not quickly enough. NICE have introduced guidelines to refer to people with a prostate to be inclusive of trans people. Charities and the NHS are slowly catching up.

@CaptainNemosOtherHalf

Eg cancer charities moving to ‘cervix havers’, maternity and neonatal charities moving exclusively to ‘parents’ instead of ‘women’ and ‘mothers’ etc

V useful. Can anyone point me to some direct examples?

Macmillan cancer charity - 'people' can get cervical cancer but men get penile/prostate cancer.

Each year, more than 3,200 people are diagnosed with cervical cancer in the UK.
www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/cervical-cancer

Most men diagnosed with penile cancer are over the age of 50. But it can also affect younger men.

www.macmillan.org.uk/cancer-information-and-support/penile-cancer

I mean, which man doesn't know he has a penis??

I have written to them and they fudged something about 'inclusive language' hmm and may be updating the website (to remove 'man') but haven't quite got around to it yet or something... this was several months ago.

What is the ultimate goal. When we have been successfully distanced from our humanity and can ony be refered to by our organs and bodily functions, what then?

Cervical Screening Wales.

phw.nhs.wales/services-and-teams/cervical-screening-wales/

Individuals with a cervix aged between 25 and 64 are able to have cervical screening in Wales.

Women aren't mentioned on this page.

@HermitsLife

What is the ultimate goal. When we have been successfully distanced from our humanity and can ony be refered to by our organs and bodily functions, what then?

The microchips they're putting in the Covid vaccine will activate and mutate everyone's chromosones to ZZ and the posthuman sex-neutral world order will begin.

I can't find a link for it atm but I think it was Autism UK on Twitter that suggested that 'autistics with a cervix' might want to consider cancer screening.

The bit they are failing to consider is that how will anyone know who has which anatomy? How will we communicate to the young girl that she has the body type that should start bleeding regularly from age 11 ish but her friend who is also referred to as a 'girl' doesn't have the same body type and if they start bleeding from anywhere there is a problem.

Which 'autistics' should go and have a smear test done? How would a person know to ask if they should have been invited for screening. A helpful person on twitter suggested that they should call the doctor to ask but how would that conversation go 'hi doctor, I'm a girl, should I have a smear test?' 'hi girl, yes you should, I'll make an appointment'.

'Girl' turns up at surgery, nurse asks them to get on the bed and take their knickers off but gets a 'little' surprise and has to inform the 'girl' that a smear will not be possible because they are not the right kind of girl.

'People' is both males and females. There is no point in issuing public health information about sex specific conditions if you are not going to whether male or female people need to be the ones concerned.

This doesn't help trans people at all either - their lives could depend on medical professionals knowing their sex. Allowing people to think that their sex is not important is dangerous. Imagine being the doctor who accidentally killed a patient with sex inappropriate treatment - it has nearly happened already and it won't be long before it does happen.

This BBC article shows some of the problems. Medical systems are not ignoring trans people, they are trying to treat them in a way that isn't dangerous but in order to do that, they need to know their sex - you can't argue with nature.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200814-why-our-medical-systems-are-ignoring-transgender-people

I was asked how my one year old identified, when I tried to register his covid test. I was never asked his sex.

What is the ultimate goal. When we have been successfully distanced from our humanity and can ony be refered to by our organs and bodily functions, what then?

Wow.
Ultimate goal?
Who's ultimate goal, and do you really think this is just a big plan to distance us from humanity and so we can only be called things like (what, like Legs or Bum or Piss?)

@Mockolate

What is the ultimate goal. When we have been successfully distanced from our humanity and can ony be refered to by our organs and bodily functions, what then?

Wow.
Ultimate goal?
Who's ultimate goal, and do you really think this is just a big plan to distance us from humanity and so we can only be called things like (what, like Legs or Bum or Piss?)

So right, silly me. It's not like women aren't already refered to as cunts, split arses, tits, bleeders etc etc,

Much more progressive to call us uterus havers, vulva people and menstruators.