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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Neopronouns...

104 replies

MashNgravy · 13/02/2021 03:34

www.bustle.com/wellness/how-to-use-neopronouns-expert

Next time the woke patrol at work try to force me to put "my pronouns" into my email signature I'm going to use one of these. I shall change it weekly and each one shall be more ridiculous than the last.

Yours sincerely,
Mash (ze/zir)

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MartiniDry · 13/02/2021 04:07

"Violent gender assumptions" GrinGrinGrin😂😂😂
Dear god! Hmm

NiceGerbil · 13/02/2021 04:09

'"They/them/theirs" pronouns offer another way to refer to an individual without assuming their gender. They're so much cooler than I am, you might think, swooning over your quiet artist classmate.'

...!

ixqik · 13/02/2021 04:19

Or you could say that putting pronouns in signatures force those who are not yet comfortable with their pronouns to 'out' themselves. And you can say this in a very concerned way.

TheCatThatGotTheCream · 13/02/2021 04:26

I'll not be putting any pronouns on anything of mine, thank you very much!

PotholeParadies · 13/02/2021 06:59

Practice, practice, practice. Write in your journal about your latest adventure withyour friend who uses xir pronouns; talk about xir in the mirror to yourself; if xe's given you consent, use xir pronouns in conversation with other people. It's really not all that hard if you don'twantit to be hard."

For context and comparison, that's eeriely similar to the way I prepared for my A-level French orals in the hopes of going to university.

I actually find neopronouns quite easy (it's probably the French!), so I wouldn't have to do that, and I've never thought about how hard other people might find it. But that started me thinking about how I would feel if I found out that other people were having to go to that much effort to accommodate me. I felt rather ill at the idea of adding to everyone's mental load that way.

Honestly, I'm staggered at the arrogance of casually expecting all the people you know to put in that level of effort. You can say tolerance, acceptance and all that, but where's the tolerance for the parent of three, balancing work, homeschooling, and maybe an OU degree?

Where's the tolerance for the teacher who works 12 hours a day between classes, lesson-planning, marking and doing school paperwork, who is now expected to use their copious spare time talking into a mirror instead of slumping on the sofa watching Bridgerton?

MashNgravy · 13/02/2021 07:22

@PotholeParadies absolutely! I'd be mortified. How can these people take themselves so seriously.

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MashNgravy · 13/02/2021 07:23

@ixqik

Or you could say that putting pronouns in signatures force those who are not yet comfortable with their pronouns to 'out' themselves. And you can say this in a very concerned way.
I hadn't thought of this. Very true. I could be a closeted non binary person forced to our myself.
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MashNgravy · 13/02/2021 07:24

Out!!!

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devildeepbluesea · 13/02/2021 07:24

@ixqik

Or you could say that putting pronouns in signatures force those who are not yet comfortable with their pronouns to 'out' themselves. And you can say this in a very concerned way.
I'm going to store this away in case my company ever buys into this insanity.
TornadoOfSouls · 13/02/2021 07:29

I saw one the other day - apologies if it was on here and everyone’s already seen it - a woman with Bond/James Bond, which I found amusing

TheLaughingGenome · 13/02/2021 08:01

My neopronouns expand my world

No they really dont, they put you in a hideous POMO box.

and celebrate my own gender

No they dont, they're just made up words. If you want to celebrate your own belief that you are somehow messianically subverting societal norms attached to sex stereotypes, and that you are amongst the first young people on earth to have ever done this, have you thought instead about drinking a lot and reading a history book?

while shaking up violent gender assumptions

Violent doesn't really mean what you think it means.

and that's really what it's all about.

No, it's about you being exploited.

PotholeParadies · 13/02/2021 08:04

Or drinking a lot while learning French. You'll get more bang for your buck out of the hours spent in front of a mirror/writing diary entries about going to the supermarket.

Learning a foreign language actually does expand your world!

MashNgravy · 13/02/2021 08:10

Things that irk me about this pronoun gubbins:

  1. If I'm reading your email signature, chances are I'm going to be talking to you, not about you. So I won't need to refer to you as she/he/they/it/zippidydoodah because I'll be talking directly to you.
  2. When not using these stupid made up words, when just using the normal ones, why is it necessary to use two forms to demonstrate? Eg "mash (she/her)" - if we're using she then of course we are also using her? It's just unnecessary additional wordiness. Or is anyone fruitcake enough to be she/him?

It's all just bonkers.

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BaronessWrongCrowd · 13/02/2021 08:11

A timely way to post this hilarious song by MrMenno on Pronouns. Never fails to make me laugh

JackieWeaversZoomAc · 13/02/2021 08:13

I see pronouns creeping into
The business signatures of quite a few people.

I can't imagine I'll ever do it - fuck that.

But there is also a part of me that can't wait to put zee/zim/zip as my pronouns. If my employer goes all E&I can I expect them to force my colleagues to use my pronouns? Cause I can't imagine how I would ever know if the were "respecting" me or not.

Will companies be adding pronouns to company directories? I mean on on earth are we meant to keep track?

I would also like to include a link to this in my signature:

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

persistentwoman · 13/02/2021 08:20

This sentence made me laugh: Grin Grin

Xe is such an incredible writer, you think while reading an awesome book by a nonbinary human.

FuriousAndFrustrated · 13/02/2021 08:29

Please God, someone tell me that the Bustle article is a wind up?

Surely no-one can take it seriously? It's all so... self-indulgent. Confused

PotholeParadies · 13/02/2021 08:33

And published in August last year. That article wasn't written pre-pandemic.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 13/02/2021 08:37

I wrote self important ill informed shite when I was young but the difference then was that adults would point out that what I was writing was self important informed shite

Now it seems they publish it instead

Also everytime I read this sort on nonsensical wank spannery I think of this

Neopronouns...
MissMarpleDarling · 13/02/2021 08:38

Got told yesterday we have to start putting ours below our name in emails. I feel like an idiot writing my name then (she/her).

highame · 13/02/2021 08:40

This is one of the most divisive things I've come across in a long while. I just hope the humour it generates means pronouns will be short lived (except for school kids - and they have the attention span of gnats on cool stuff).

Too many people are likely to take the piss and how on earth could they be challenged cause that's transphobic init

JackieWeaverFever · 13/02/2021 08:48

@PotholeParadies

Practice, practice, practice. Write in your journal about your latest adventure withyour friend who uses xir pronouns; talk about xir in the mirror to yourself; if xe's given you consent, use xir pronouns in conversation with other people. It's really not all that hard if you don'twantit to be hard."

For context and comparison, that's eeriely similar to the way I prepared for my A-level French orals in the hopes of going to university.

I actually find neopronouns quite easy (it's probably the French!), so I wouldn't have to do that, and I've never thought about how hard other people might find it. But that started me thinking about how I would feel if I found out that other people were having to go to that much effort to accommodate me. I felt rather ill at the idea of adding to everyone's mental load that way.

Honestly, I'm staggered at the arrogance of casually expecting all the people you know to put in that level of effort. You can say tolerance, acceptance and all that, but where's the tolerance for the parent of three, balancing work, homeschooling, and maybe an OU degree?

Where's the tolerance for the teacher who works 12 hours a day between classes, lesson-planning, marking and doing school paperwork, who is now expected to use their copious spare time talking into a mirror instead of slumping on the sofa watching Bridgerton?

This sums up perfectly how I feel.

I barely have effort for myself.
I am not persecuting you I just don't care and don't have the energy to validate you. Go validate yourself...

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 13/02/2021 08:54

Share your neopronouns here... smartsurvey.co.uk/s/gendercensus2021

BaronessWrongCrowd · 13/02/2021 08:57

@MissMarpleDarling

Got told yesterday we have to start putting ours below our name in emails. I feel like an idiot writing my name then (she/her).
Is it mandatory? They have decided to subscribe to an ideological belief and you will have to join in on it or whether you like it or not?

I'd take the piss tbh. Change them every week. Use stuff like ze/zir or God/Goddess, HRH/The Queen or the one I saw of Bond/James Bond. The beauty of it is if they challenge you then you are well within your rights to say but they are my pronouns and they cannot disprove it. Grin

AfternoonToffee · 13/02/2021 08:58

It was just too hard to read, I just couldn't keep up with who was being talked about.