Neopronouns...

[MashNgravy]

www.bustle.com/wellness/how-to-use-neopronouns-expert

Next time the woke patrol at work try to force me to put "my pronouns" into my email signature I'm going to use one of these. I shall change it weekly and each one shall be more ridiculous than the last.

Yours sincerely,
Mash (ze/zir)

I was thinking that.

You may all refer to me as ♀/♀

Or even

화난/ 여자

(여자는 느낌이 아니다)

Is that VisionOn?

MissMarpleDarling
Got told yesterday we have to start putting ours below our name in emails. I feel like an idiot writing my name then (she/her)
I'd be tempted to write:

Marple Darling
Compulsory inclusion of pronouns: she/her

Pronouns she/him or he/her

Can't you just say you're not bothered how people refer to you when you're not in the room, or on documents you probably won't ever see? Or that how you feel about your body and your sexuality etc. is your own business, and you don't want to be forced into outing yourself or making a definitive choice on something you may be struggling with?

I can't imagine my company indulging in this posturing - if they do then I think I shall demonstrate my gender perfectly with
(ㅤㅤㅤ/ㅤㅤㅤ)

Well, if my company email supports MN-style links

We seem to be in this weird and very contradictory situation where on the one hand places are switching to supposedly gender neutral language to, we're told, avoid triggering people who may be extremely sensitive to sex or gender specific words or the image on a toilet door or whatever, and on the other hand are increasingly being required to all stick pronouns next to our names in a great big in-your-face BOOM reminder about sex/gender where previously we just had someone's name. If anything, if people were in danger of being triggered and upset, you'd think it would be going the other way.

This really annoyed me:

"ze/zir feels more like it was made for me. And after everything I've been through with my gender, I deserve something shiny and just for me and other people like me."

Everything they've been through with their gender? Do they mean they just had a version of the existential crisis all teenagers go through? ("Who is the real me? Why does no one recognise how special I am?")

What about everything women go through because of our sex? Don't we deserve something nice and shiny just for us? Like, you know, refuges, sports and changing rooms.

Someone mentioned this on a Teams call last week (she’s GC and had seen her first instance of it). Our boss was on the call and just rolled his eyes so I finally got chance to try out a line I’d read on here “My pronouns are sex based just like my oppression”. It fortunately got a laugh!

I went to an online event a few months ago, where a 60 odd year old man wearing a headdress and wings introduced himself as using "fae pronouns" and nope, I'm not making this up, it's not an urban myth, I saw this with my own eyes.

If this comes to my workplace (likely) I'm going to put 'no preference' which I think nicely subverts the whole thing

It's not obligatory to put one's pronouns in emails at our workplace but it is fairly common. I don't myself. I don't care how you address me, just be nice

Che/Cher

Disco Revolutionary.

So making others jump through made-up linguistic hoops so that you can say it helps your mental health? Sounds like, oh, I dunno, narcissism.

Love that this article is categorised under "Wellness".

"ze/zir feels more like it was made for me. And after everything I've been through with my gender, I deserve something shiny and just for me and other people like me."

And this is the vapid, narcissistic nonsense we're all supposed to kow tow to?

@Vermeil

I think a lot of young people are going to drop their fantasy pronouns after a few years when it’s become unfashionable and they realise that it’s just made life exhausting for themselves and those they interact with. Unless you work in arts or media or the rarified world of professional activism, it’s going to be very hard work to keep up and an awful lot of people will just quietly not take you seriously.

Basically, it will flag you up as being a bit of an insufferable knob.

I agree with this totally.

I notice Jack Monroe in her latest interview said that either "she" or "they" was fine as a pronoun and these days she presents as quite "feminine". It seems pretty clear she's dropped the whole thing but understandably doesn't want the hassle and grief she would get by being completely open about it.

On the Email pronoun thing I suspect if an employee just said simply "I prefer not to state pronouns" it would be extremely hard for an employer to enforce it. What justification could they give? "We're going to make you feel extremely uncomfortable because it somehow makes other people feel more comfortable even though there's no logical reason why it should?"

Of course that might mean zilch if you know it's going to make your company look at you unfavourably if you refuse.

[quote EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]Share your neopronouns here... smartsurvey.co.uk/s/gendercensus2021[/quote]

I've just filled this in. What a pile of navel gazing idiocy! It is truly the end of days...

If this comes to my workplace (likely) I'm going to put 'no preference' which I think nicely subverts the whole thing

I've only been asked for them once so far, and I said this.

@highame

It just sounds so infantile. When adults put pronouns, I suddenly find my respect level falls. It's not in any way transphobic, it just doesn't belong in adult discourse - might be wrong, in which case, tell me why I am

Some people are doing this now at my work & it’s lowering my respect for them too. If workplaces are telling you you have to use pronouns though, you can accuse them of transphobia for forcing you to reveal your gender, thus contravening the 6th Yogyakarta Principle. yogyakartaprinciples.org/principle-6/

legalfeminist.org.uk/2020/07/19/pronouns-compulsion-and-controversy/

[quote EmpressWitchDoesntBurn]Share your neopronouns here... smartsurvey.co.uk/s/gendercensus2021[/quote]
That survey is hilarious!

Is that for real?