Neopronouns...

[MashNgravy]

www.bustle.com/wellness/how-to-use-neopronouns-expert

Next time the woke patrol at work try to force me to put "my pronouns" into my email signature I'm going to use one of these. I shall change it weekly and each one shall be more ridiculous than the last.

Yours sincerely,
Mash (ze/zir)

@MissMarpleDarling

Got told yesterday we have to start putting ours below our name in emails. I feel like an idiot writing my name then (she/her).

If this happened where I work, I would ask for the equalities impact assessment that shows this doesn't disadvantage any of the groups with a protected characteristic. I would specifically mention women and biological sex, as I believe there's lots of research that shows that when people know/are reminded they're dealing with a woman she is likely to experience more sexism than when they don't. I read something recently that said this affects the woman herself - when girls/women are reminded of their sex just before they take a test they do worse than they would otherwise. (Something like that - I hope somebody here has more info on this.)

No way on earth would I ever comply with this, but I'm in the fortunate position of being not that long off retirement.

Practice, practice, practice. Write in your journal about your latest adventure withyour friend who uses xir pronouns; talk about xir in the mirror to yourself; if xe's given you consent, use xir pronouns in conversation with other people. It's really not all that hard if you don'twantit to be hard."

Wow.
The whole point of pronouns is to make communication easier, not harder. As soon as they make it more difficult, bin them.
'They' is in some contexts not too burdensome because we do use it as a singular for a person of unknown sex. The others are basically a set of alternative names dependant on grammatical context.

'"They/them/theirs" pronouns offer another way to refer to an individual without assuming their gender. They're so much cooler than I am, you might think, swooning over your quiet artist classmate.'

Or more likely you might think idiotic totally ordinary poser.

Here's one example. www.newsweek.com/male-and-female-coworkers-switched-email-signatures-faced-sexism-566507 Gives some links to what I think are academic/professional studies on this:

Studies have shown that Hallberg and Schneider's story is not an aberration. In one study looking at instructors for an online class, "students rated the male identity significantly higher than the female identity, regardless of the instructor's actual gender, demonstrating gender bias." Another study had science faculty rate applications randomly assigned male and female names for a lab manager position and found that "faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant." Yet another found that when applications for tech jobs were stripped of identifying details, the percentage of women selected for interviews rose from five to 54 percent.

It just sounds so infantile. When adults put pronouns, I suddenly find my respect level falls. It's not in any way transphobic, it just doesn't belong in adult discourse - might be wrong, in which case, tell me why I am

"ze/zir feels more like it was made for me. And after everything I've been through with my gender, I deserve something shiny and just for me and other people like me."

The crux of the matter right there? Shallow, simplistic, infantile, self-centred silliness.

@MissMarpleDarling

Got told yesterday we have to start putting ours below our name in emails. I feel like an idiot writing my name then (she/her).

Have to - HAVE to? Crikey. In my 30 years working I’ve never ‘had’ to do anything so sinister. And I worked in the City for 15 years...

If I'm ever forced to do this I'll make up my own and complain vociferously if management ever get them wrong.

I like fniff/fnizz or ptrutt/ptratt (silent, but essential to my dignity, p)

Love the young ones :o
IME this thread will be deleted so I barely can be bothered to add to to it but if I am ever pressured to do this I will be she/him.

MissMarpleDarling, go to HR in floods of tears and sob that your employer is forcing you to out yourself as non binary when you are not ready, and you want advice on suing them.

The gender census link posted upthread is great. I prefer the pronouns Goat/GoatZ and I was able to log them and their variants (as well as the alternative pronouns I use on Thursday evenings) using their detailed and inclusive survey. Perhaps they’ll catch on once the whole thing is published? At any rate, I feel immensely validated.

Can everyone please join me in adding your preferred adjectives in your email signature. It doesn't take two minutes and gives everyone an unwanted insight into your psyche and private life.

Thanks, Xan (hungry/lonely)

What if you just don’t have one at all?

I use pronouns in signatures as handy evidence an organisation has been captured and then have a look at their definitions around the equality act/descriptors of women

I think a lot of young people are going to drop their fantasy pronouns after a few years when it’s become unfashionable and they realise that it’s just made life exhausting for themselves and those they interact with. Unless you work in arts or media or the rarified world of professional activism, it’s going to be very hard work to keep up and an awful lot of people will just quietly not take you seriously.

Basically, it will flag you up as being a bit of an insufferable knob.

@Seventytwo - I managed to tell them, using my preferred pronouns of wahrheit/veritas/verite/veracidad that my pronouns changed depending on the context in which 真実 were being spoken.

@Seventytwo I decided I identify as a cat, I like to be addressed as Your Honour

I did get an email at work someone had their pronouns in their name (so in the ‘From’ line). They were wanting to sell me something. I can’t say it endeared me to them.

[quote minisoksmakehardwork]@Seventytwo - I managed to tell them, using my preferred pronouns of wahrheit/veritas/verite/veracidad that my pronouns changed depending on the context in which 真実 were being spoken. [/quote]
Can we use Japanese (?) characters then? Interesting...

I enjoyed the gender census very much, thanks for the link

@Xanthangum

Can everyone please join me in adding your preferred adjectives in your email signature. It doesn't take two minutes and gives everyone an unwanted insight into your psyche and private life.

Thanks, Xan (hungry/lonely)

Much better than fiddling around with pronouns, so much more scope for self-expression!

So it’s like when you add your ‘mood’ to your little icon on Waze?

You see that would be very useful. I worked with someone who was like night and day - one day she’d be lovely and the next would bite your head off.

I would be tempted to choose a symbol, à la Prince.