Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

Hope this link works as I am a subscriber to the times and logged in.

More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' . When will the madness end!!?

@Coreblimy

Meredithgrey1 I'd have thought perinatal also includes antenatal as "peri-" means around?

Side note, what a great example of how totally unclear this new wording is! Let's hope that clarity of language isn't a concern in a medical setting

Yeah, pregnancy and the period after birth - I think the first year after birth technically. Sorry maybe my comment wasn’t clear enough.

[quote ArabellaScott]Article on the BBC front page.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-56007728#comments[/quote]
The policy is linked from the article.
t.co/94EnCE3UOi?amp=1
The 2 authors' job titles are 'gender inclusion midwife', and the editor (do internal policies usually have an editor?) is someone from Stonewall (least surprising thing I've ever read).

I did wonder if the idea was to use this language when supporting trans people, or add it to communication rather than replace words like mother. That's what the BBC article says, 'additive language' but it will be difficult to remain clear in messaging while trying to double up the two languages. It'll be like in Wales where everything is said twice. I looked at the web site & all their breastfeeding stuff is all about 'beastfeeding' as you'd expect. It's also a Baby Friendly hospital (the unicef breastfeeding accreditation). I would think suddenly swapping commonly understood words around breastfeeding, for weird new ones would have a detrimental effect on breastfeeding take up & rates.

I look back on history when the Spanish Inquisition was underway, or the Purtians were smashing up churches, or in living memory when people were denounced for liking western classical music in the Cultural Revolution and think how did people get so het up over such cultural purity issues to the extent of ignoring common sense and accepted everyday language like mother. How much money has been diverted from proper healthcare to this wokery ? Any sensitive health care person will try and use whatever form of address they consider polite and respectful to effectively communicate with each patient to get the message they need to across and understood. I’ve seen many a doctor or nurse trying to explain concepts to people who aren’t medics and part of a good bedside manner is pitching the communication respectfully. You don’t have to change the language for everyone for a tiny tiny minority to the point where meaning is lost for every one else

@Changethetoner

Fair enough to modify their language IF there is a "man" who is attempting to feed their own baby -but why offend the 99.9% of women who are trying to do it. Ridiculous nonsense.

So what next. Force women into breastfeeding classes with men? Force breastfeeding charities to accept men? Force breastfeeding support to be withdrawn because women don't want to have to attend groups with men in them? Is this woke Britain where we destroy breastfeeding and put woke lefty TGLFTUBQ brigade pandering above the health of children?

I just wondered what a woman would say to a midwife who used the term chest feeding with them. I’m pregnant. If I feel like I did after my first labour and a midwife started to discuss this with me, I would be utterly bemused (and assume they wanted my DH to strip off to have some skin to skin bonding) Would you challenge them to use more “female friendly” language rather than trans inclusive language or just give up?

Luckily it’s my second pregnancy so I’m hoping I will be more confident with breastfeeding having done it before but to include, what must be single digits of trans men giving birth to the exclusion of women for who English isn’t their first language, women who aren’t confident enough to ask questions, women with learning difficulties and women who at their most vulnerable will simply not ask further questions to access the help they need because they don’t want / can’t engage with the language that is relevant to them, seems to be throwing an awful lot of women under the bus.

Sorry if this has been answered up thread. I am interested how women would tackle this “in real life”?

Breastfeeding charities have already been pressured into having policies to include men.

Discrimination against women. Denying our very existence. Men rule ok!

There are more than 4000 comments under the Times article now. I don't think I remember another article with that many comments, it really hit a nerve.

It seems to me we are moving in the direction the trans lobby wants - erase women when it comes to biological functions (make them gender neutral so that the trans people who have a kinky interest in pretending to menstrate etc can get their kicks and feel included) but reserve the sexy stuff like "boobs" for straight men who like breasts and trans people who want to own and feel their own pair of silicone breasts (usually the more Benny Hillesque the better).

@Singlenotsingle

Discrimination against women. Denying our very existence. Men rule ok!

Then why do so many women support the TGNVSFGBQ community?

Incredible isn't it Igneococcus. Lots of people will be payng much more attention now. If that's how many posted comments, wonder how many others just read. I guess thousands more

A couple of years ago, these types of articles in The Times were getting very few comments - I guess readers didn't think any of it applied to their own life, so weren't very interested. Just "be kind".

Since then, I've noticed more and more people have had their eyes opened, and more and more have been adding their voices at the end of each article. You are right, this has really hit a nerve.

@DaisiesandButtercups

Breastfeeding charities have already been pressured into having policies to include men.

So I wonder why there are no voices out there calling for society to stop supporting charities that pick up and run with the narrative? You only need for charity to be closed down and its employees left claiming benefits to send the message to other organisations that we will stand for it.

Example - Which formula company will be the first to link their product to chestfeeding, and will there be a mass exodus from their products or will mothers keep buying anyway cos it doesn't affect them?

I've never seen that many comments on a Times article.

ElliFantspoo, the gender ideology lobby are too powerful. Too many are scared of them. Charities will lose funding if they are not “inclusive”. People are losing employment for speaking out against them.

I've never seen that many comments on a Times article.

4,200 comments!

Wow, bet the mods are knackered.

Let’s hope this continues to raise awareness of the anti woman agenda

Freddy McConnell's Insta says this is about keeping babies and "expectant parents" safe.

Safe from the literal violence of using the wrong pronoun I assume, though I'm not sure what that does or doesn't do to a baby. Getting the baby into the world safely without anyone dying or sustaining life-changing injuries should be the first priority I would hope.

There was also the suggestion that this policy should be adopted by other NHS Trusts so whilst I think Brighton is a little bit special it probably won't be limited to one area of the gender ideologists have their way.

(I still haven't forgiven Freddy for labelling women who have lost babies who want to be called mothers as bullies and I bear grudges easily at the best of times.)

It seems staff members called Helen and Ash instigated this change, according to Freddy, so I wonder how many midwives in Brighton will a) follow through with this and b) be reconsidering their jobs if this would be a sacking offence if you slipped up with a pronoun when the baby is crowning.

@HermioneWeasley

Let’s hope this continues to raise awareness of the anti woman agenda

But a large portion of the supporters are women?

Until we stop supporting this sort of thing we will continue to lose. A huge proportion of the support for the LGBTQ agendas comes from women.

I don't believe this will have the support of many of the midwives. As with so many things connected with this ideology, this will be being imposed on the staff from the top down. It's patriarchal imperialism.

To me this seems not to be about supporting transmen as one could easily use the term 'nursing' or nursing parent. Rather, seeing that transwomen who are biological males won't ever be able to breastfeed with their breasts. They probably don't like the fact that their breasts can't do the one key thing a woman's breast are designed for: feed their mammal offspring. So that lowly thing that women do to keep their infants alive can be dismissively called chest feeding and breast are just sex things.

One good thing about this is that it really has got full news coverage - someone even put a comment something like 'here's one to make you laugh ladies, it's called chestfeeding instead of breastfeeding' - this was in a facebook group for old photos of nottingham! not exactly a place for radical feminism normally.

I'm too old to give a F, but it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion, or the slow crumbing of a society's backbone.

As regards to news coverage - this was 'a thing' six months ago at least when one of the breastfeeding charities started accepting men into breastfeeding groups and calling in chestfeeding. No-one gave a F about it then, so is it any surprise no-one really gives a F about it now.

Regarding said charity - it would be closed by the end of the next month and everyone sacked if women decided to boycot them, and refused ever to engage with them again, and that would send a message to anyone who wished to side with the LGBTQ community over chest feeding. The message being, if you pander to this, you lose all income that comes from women in this country.

But then, really, who cares? A few enraged mouthpieces? The rest of us couldn't really give a F could we? Type a few words? Bandy about the outrage? But actually give a F enough to do anything? No, not me. Not anyone else either.

So if the LGBTQ community care enough to get off their backsides, and the rest of us wouldn't even dream of doing that, then its a forgone conclusion.

I for one am going to buy some popcorn and watch the snowflakes and wokers destroy society, cos it is interesting to see watch all the fake vitriol and faux affrontedness.