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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour MP for Leeds says he OPPOSES single-sex spaces

143 replies

PotholeParadies · 04/02/2021 20:58

This was the question:

Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?

Alex Sobel, Labour MP for Leed NW said: No.

twitter.com/alexsobel/status/1356382772152184832?s=19

Labour MP for Leeds says he OPPOSES single-sex spaces
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Ifyourefeelingsinister · 04/02/2021 23:02

Will email my Labour MP and Keir Starmer. I can't get over how enthusiastically men in power wish to throw away women's rights

JackOffJill · 04/02/2021 23:03

I'm a Labour member and have made a formal complaint. It's quite easy to do, whether you're a member or not.
labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 04/02/2021 23:14

Thanks JackOff. I am a party member too (beginning to wonder why) - I will make a complaint.

anotherhumanfemale · 04/02/2021 23:24

@merrymouse

I really want the DM to run a headline saying ‘Labour: mixed prisons are the future’ so that Starmer and other MPs are forced to get off the fence and explain where they stand on this.

I agree. But the response would probably just be "It's the DM, it's hate-filled bigotry and I'm not responding".

radicalnotion · 04/02/2021 23:32

I will complain about this MP too. Even though Ieft the party a few years ago when the misogyny really ramped up under Corbyn. I have had enough. Starmer needs to step up and stop pretending that this will all go away. His silence is giving these women haters the green light.

foxhat · 04/02/2021 23:45

Place marking so I can also make a complaint tomorrow. Disgusting in every way. Clear stupidity too as he appears to not understand the concept of 'bigot'

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 23:45

Oh Alex. Wow.

I wonder if he has always been against single sex prisons, refuges, and hospital wards? Of course he wasn't. He's just been woked into it. Fking hell. Mixed sex prisons.... Refuges... Has he thought this through? Right, a male in prison for raping women should be housed with women? Heard of Karen White? A male should be placed in a refuge with women who are domestic abuse survivors? Also why the f do men think they can give away our rights?

HeadPain · 04/02/2021 23:46

They fkin can though can't they. They get to vote on these things.

I don't know if I will ever vote Labour again. I actually didn't vote at all last election.

radicalnotion · 04/02/2021 23:51

HeadPain I am done with Labour forever. They are an embarrassment.

PotholeParadies · 05/02/2021 00:16

If any of you have got more than 30 followers on your twitter account, could you please ask people to email their MP with Mary's question?

Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?

And if anyone is a member of ovarit, please ask the Brits on there to join in.

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PotholeParadies · 05/02/2021 00:23

(30 followers is me. It's not getting any traction if I post it.)

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Impatiens · 05/02/2021 00:25

[quote JackOffJill]I'm a Labour member and have made a formal complaint. It's quite easy to do, whether you're a member or not.
labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/[/quote]
Just done this and it was very quick and straightforward. Thanks

Datun · 05/02/2021 02:01

@FoxBaseBeta

Just seen this shared on Facebook Shock So, according to Alex Sobel, vulnerable and abused women don't deserve the safeguarding they're entitled to under law Angry
And, when one girl every school day is raped in school, he wants to force them to undress in front of males.

And they're bigots.

He's proud of his women hating.

Anordinarymum · 05/02/2021 02:04

When we had the elections and I went to vote, this guy was living in a room above a pub. He was not from this area at all so how could he even care about the local community? The MP for this area - a good man was ousted by this guy. I do not like him and he does not represent me.

Awning10 · 05/02/2021 06:42

I've just filled in the complaint form. The replies on Twitter are worth a read.

ChattyLion · 05/02/2021 06:57

Doesn’t a Labour MP arguing for sexist policies which make multiple women feel discriminated against and unsafe and marginalised in their own claims to standard human safety dignity and privacy away from men when vulnerable.. appear to break the Labour party’s ‘code of conduct on Sexual Harassment and Gender Discrimination’ (....that last part should be ‘sex’ not ‘gender’ Hmm but stick with it...) because this says:

Code of Conduct: Sexual Harassment and Gender Discrimination

All codes of conduct and NEC statements form part of the agreed relationship between individual Labour Party members, and set the minimum code of conduct expected by the Party of all its members.

The Labour Party is the party of equality and has fought to ensure that society provides equal opportunities for all and will continue to do so. Labour strongly believes that no one should feel disadvantaged, discriminated against or harassed due to their gender either inside the party or in the wider society.

The Labour Party understands that sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that takes place when someone is subjected to unwelcome and unwanted sexual behaviour or other conduct related to their gender. This can range from inappropriate comments to assault, can be verbal, non-verbal or physical and can take place both in person or online.

The Labour Party will not tolerate any form of discrimination or harassment. Labour is committed to ensuring the party is a welcoming environment for all who share our aims and values to engage in political activity and debate without feeling disadvantaged or unsafe. Any behaviour that is perceived to discriminate against or harass another due to their gender has no place within the Labour Party.

labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/my-rights-and-responsibilities/coc-sexual-harassment/

If they’re going to have a policy which is feelings based then a lot of us seem to have been made to feel in ways which would not fit with their policy by these comments.

MPs also have a duty to act in the public interest and it’s arguable that given the evidence of increased risk shown to women of being vulnerable in mixed sex spaces that this MP’s position is not in the public interest.

I feel like if these apparently anti-sexist structures and processes are there within political parties’ self-regulation, then it’s worth using them to bring wider attention and consideration to women’s issues, rather than allowing male MPs to behave as though fundamental practical matters of women’s rights as both negligible and inconsequential.

boatyardblues · 05/02/2021 07:21

Isn’t there a process by which the local population can recall an MP and trigger a by-election? That’s what needs to happen in this case.

ChattyLion · 05/02/2021 07:30

That’s an excellent point though lots of prior requirements around that:

MPs can be recalled only under certain circumstances:
If they are convicted in the UK of an offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained and all appeals have been exhausted (and the sentence does not lead to automatic disqualification from being an MP);
If they are suspended from the House following report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for a specified period (at least 10 sitting days, or at least 14 days if sitting days are not specified);
If they are convicted of an offence under section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 (making false or misleading Parliamentary allowances claims)

Plus 10% of constuents need to sign a petition supporting it

*the committee on standards bit relates to the code of conduct of MPs and looking at it the most relevant but I think is the failure to act in the public interest (if they would accept that tweeting misogynistically comes under ‘acting’)

committees.parliament.uk/committee/290/committee-on-standards/role/

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 07:43

Local council elections are in May and that is very relevant to his issue given that councils obv have power to control a lot of public spaces.

womansplaceuk.org/dear-leeds-council

merrymouse · 05/02/2021 07:45

I think the key issue is hat this MP refused to explain his position and would not accept that women had genuine concerns, but instead called them bigots.

UppityPuppity · 05/02/2021 08:21

I see his follow up Tweet was about gender neutral toilets. Why do these people always bring it back to toilets???

Is he trying to conflate the one self contained mixed-sex loo in many restaurants/cafes with women prisoners incarcerated with rapists?

What a disgrace.

When people show you who they really are - believe them.

ChloeCrocodile · 05/02/2021 08:35

Local council elections are in May and that is very relevant to his issue given that councils obv have power to control a lot of public spaces.

Thanks for the reminder. There is the major problem of who to actually vote for tho. I've never voted tory in my life but I think this may be the one.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/02/2021 08:35

So depressing. It really is.

I will complain via labour.

MoltenLasagne · 05/02/2021 09:09

Absolutely appalling. My bloody city, misogyny central. I've emailed my MP this morning who is also a Labour MP for Leeds.

I think Labour want to make themselves utterly unelectable, I've long since suspected they prefer being in opposition than having to govern. They certainly won't be getting my vote at this rate.

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