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[Biscuitsanddoombar]

So another brand proves that they’re not keen on women having thoughts

look at them likes.

For real I don't even know why I bother engaging people on here but if you're actually angry at "political censorship" by a smoothie company unfollowed someone on Twitter - your "concerns" are not pressing.

Maybe... just maybe. Trans rights do not come at the cost of women's rights. oops.

@AbsintheFriends

Method and Ocado are on my boycott list too, if we're doing a round up.

Why method? 😭

Maybe... just maybe. Trans rights do not come at the cost of women's rights. oops

Seems to me you haven't grasped the bigger picture here. Because even someone with an ounce of intelligence would begin to understand that conflating trans rights with women's rights ultimately removes women's rights and safeguards.

And it's not about a company unfollowing an individual. It's about a large company using their platform as a vehicle which has led to a public harassment of an individual for her legal beliefs. All in the name of inclusion. For everyone that's not a woman.

So ooops right back atcha.

For real, Connie, I do not know why you bother, either.

@Conniethesensible

look at them likes.

Oh yes those lovely likes. Many of these are focusing on the individual (named) woman at the centre of this including one gleeful person who points out her age and rubs their hands at the idea of her dying soon. Yes, look at those likes.

Innocent can follow and unfollow whoever they want, I really don't think anyone cares very much and certainly no one considers that 'political censorship'. What they chose to do however was to name publicly who they have unfollowed, directly referred to transphobia when referring to this person (leaving them wide open to targeted, personal abuse) and then released a fluffy statement about inclusivity (again, absolutely fine and valid, except it sweeps over the inclusivity of sex-based rights which they clearly don't think are important).

If so many people are 'quite cross' to use their own twee term, maybe...just maybe those people had a point?

@HettieMillia

Maybe... just maybe. Trans rights do not come at the cost of women's rights. oops

Seems to me you haven't grasped the bigger picture here. Because even someone with an ounce of intelligence would begin to understand that conflating trans rights with women's rights ultimately removes women's rights and safeguards.

And it's not about a company unfollowing an individual. It's about a large company using their platform as a vehicle which has led to a public harassment of an individual for her legal beliefs. All in the name of inclusion. For everyone that's not a woman.

So ooops right back atcha.

Nahhh hun - I've been using bathrooms for 3 decades just fine. trans people have been using them too. I go into a cubicle, do my business and leave.

The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk.

if you wanna keep spaces single-sex, I'll put it simply.

I'm not fucking showing my genitals to a toilet inspector. That is not empowering.

so once again oops xxx

The misogyny I experienced is from Men.

How do you know? Did you inspect their genitals?

Oops?

Genuine question - what and who are 'trans folk'? It seems very much like an over-arching term for a variety of differently-specialed people who have repeatedly said 'please don't pigeon-hole me'.

I guess it's hard to pinpoint a spectrum.

"The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk."

But some "trans folk" are men.

You sound very transphobic.

Always willing to engage with sound and considered viewpoints. Got absolutely no time to be bothering with the level of argument you get outside McDonalds at 3am on a Saturday night.

The Innocent gender pay gap figures are interesting. On the surface 6.6% doesn't sound too awful (and it just shows how deeply entrenched we are in patriarchal shit that I even think that) but when you look a little further at Mean and Median figures for hourly pay and bonuses it becomes obvious that the contempt for women Innocent are showing on twitter is at least one value that they genuinely hold, rather than just being empty posturing. Nice.

www.innocentdrinks.co.uk/us/gender-pay-gap-report-2019

Not really interested in a derail into toilet police.
This is about fake woke-wash and how some clumsy PR is now resulting in ageist, sexist bullying. Nice one 'Innocent'

Ah well, they're off the shopping list then. Didn't know about the coke link, either.

To be fair they were a bad habit anyway. I was making my own fresh smoothies last year to get breakfast down my teenagers, then got lazy & started getting Innocent ones delivered with the grocery.

So it's good to have a kick up the bum to go back to homemade - I'll save a fortune & we'll all be saving a lot of not so hidden sugar.

I'm drinking V8 for breakfast now.

(Please gawd don't let them be woke-washed too.)

@TheOtherBoelynGirl

"The misogyny I experienced is from Men. not trans folk."

But some "trans folk" are men.

You sound very transphobic.

I'm the worst x

I'm the queen of mumsnet - look at my empire of dirt.

@MichelleofzeResistance

They may not even have pulled it in the end, they may even have only said they were thinking about it. Doesn't matter - it was clear what they thought of women who dare to speak up for their sex-based rights.

I never understand the mindset of a business whose answer isn't "We're just selling margarine. That's it. That's all. Politics nothing to do with us and our selling of margarine. (And we employ x thousands.... we don't interview on political purity to any one position, because that would be weird.)"

When I was a child their tag line was Flora, the margarine for men" No change there then

Johnny Cash fan Connie?
That's a great line.

I've noticed the new TRA tactic when confronted with Karen White or some trans presenting person who has carried out an assault in a toilet is to say 'but those are men'. Would any of them care to share their magic diving rod that tells them they are men and not transwomen?
I'm guessing we won't be flooded with answers.

@Beamur

Johnny Cash fan Connie? That's a great line.

I am indeed. That song is so powerful. God, I wish I could go to a concert of any kind right now!

@AfternoonToffee

Their response seems to be getting lots of likes though.

The way that I look at it is that it costs nothing to like a tweet like this, in fact it makes you look woke and wonderful. So everyone who agrees with Innocent’s stance (and has seen this tweet) has liked it. Think about all the people who can’t comment on the fact they disagree with it because they don’t want to be piled on, doxxed, disciplined at work, etc.

Something going down well on Twitter means nothing in the real world, luckily the world is not quite as misogynistic as social media.

What a patronising, dismissive response from Innocent. A prime example of 'when somebody shows you who they are, believe them', alright.

If I were not such a lazy knitter, I would send them a whole sack of knit dicks (thanks for the pattern link btw, might well come in useful). I've knitted wee little hats for them before. Never again.

I really think companies ought to train their social media staff on who their core market is. Whoever wrote that statement has clearly got down the baby-talk Innocent tone-of-voice while remaining tone deaf to who is actually spending money with them.

It’s amazing how we’ve gone from smoothies straight to toilets completely irrelevant to what’s happening here. What a weird attempted derail.

Anyway, back to Innocent, the actual topic at hand- when companies encourage pile ons on named individuals on social media over views on topics completely unconnected to their products and services does that encourage you to buy from them?

Still a no from me.

It would help if occasionally someone who believes in this nonsense could defend it without being childish, rude and unable to do more than insult everyone.

You really start to wonder if there's any civil, articulate grown up anywhere within this movement.