Nicola Sturgeon throws Joanna Cherry under the bus

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twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1354521063502336001?s=21

Personal statement condemning transphobia in response to the number of young members leaving and giving this as their reason.

Statements in the press don’t define what opinions or policies Nicola Sturgeon regards as ‘transphobic’.

Her statement seems to imply that women wanting to retain single sex services and facilities, sports are ‘transphobic’.

The problem is, i think, that ordinary Indy supporters don’t know much about all this, and will just vote SNP anyway.

I think the TWAW thing is all so crazy sounding that people just don’t believe it.

But I’m really glad to see newspapers calling this out.

I see talk on Twitter of there being a suspicion that the leadership will try to add a definition of transphobia, at the NEC tomorrow, which Joanna Cherry could not sign up. So a further attempt to get shot of her?

Interesting statement, little

'The protection of women's rights is vital. However'

Can you imagine any other issue being dismissed with that wee 'however'?

Interested to see they are going to provide a definition of transphobia. That will be useful. Confusion & misunderstandings over terms is not helping the issue at all.

I asked a TRA how they define a transwoman the other day and they said 'as a woman'.

Which doesn't really inspire great confidence in their thinking ability.

• excellent Spectator article from Stephen Daisley.

Yep. Especially if they use the definition which is being heavily pushed...

www.transactual.org.uk/transphobia

Seemslike there is a push on to lockdown the twaw position once and for all.
Scary stuff.
Given the historic high rates of violence against women in Scotland I just cant see how anyone cannot see how offensive and dangerous it is?

That statement is like a pastel fever dream, ItsAll. Be quite stunning if the SNP adopted it ...

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Yep. Especially if they use the definition which is being heavily pushed...

www.transactual.org.uk/transphobia[/quote]
According to that is there anything that is not transphobia? its nuts.

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Yep. Especially if they use the definition which is being heavily pushed...

www.transactual.org.uk/transphobia[/quote]
Oh my goodness - banned from campaigning to remove rights that only exist in Stonewalls imagination! That’s a tricky one. So Liz Truss (or a QC say), confirming that the EA 2010 explicitly doesn’t automatically give trans people the right to use the facilities of their choice is transphobic..

Do the people that write these things (and the people that nod them through) have any grip on reality?

Seems like there is a push on to lockdown the twaw position once and for all. Scary stuff. Given the historic high rates of violence against women in Scotland I just cant see how anyone cannot see how offensive and dangerous it is

Given the seeming fervour in Scotland for Independence, it also seems that ever other consideration pales into insignificance. The same in England, where tribal hatred of the Tories is the main motivating factor for most on the left.

It is not too difficult to picture an independent Scotland, post break-up of the U.K; not only having to prove it has the means to join the EU/Euro zone ( not a given); but significantly impoverished, and with a crazed trans agenda to boot.

That statement is terrifying.

@ArabellaScott

- excellent Spectator article from Stephen Daisley.

Do separatists read The Spectator or The Times? Or care what those papers think?

@Justhadathought

Seems like there is a push on to lockdown the twaw position once and for all. Scary stuff. Given the historic high rates of violence against women in Scotland I just cant see how anyone cannot see how offensive and dangerous it is

Given the seeming fervour in Scotland for Independence, it also seems that ever other consideration pales into insignificance. The same in England, where tribal hatred of the Tories is the main motivating factor for most on the left.

It is not too difficult to picture an independent Scotland, post break-up of the U.K; not only having to prove it has the means to join the EU/Euro zone ( not a given); but significantly impoverished, and with a crazed trans agenda to boot.

It's not difficult to imagine at all. The separatist vision for Scotland is crazed enough in itself so they might as well add extreme trans rights in. Neither stance has any grounding in reality or common sense.

It would be poetic justice if independence fails again because of trans rights activists. Two non-reality based movements crashing into one another.

There is a push back against this from within the SNP itself.

Especially from ordinary women

Yes arabella. The however was chilling

Does anyone have any idea if the SNP capture data on people’s reasons for leaving? They are obviously under the impression that many young people are leaving because of the perceived lack of support for trans people but will they be able to differentiate the people who are leaving for the women’s rights issue?

It's important to have debate on these issues but I don't think describing nationalists as 'crazed' is really helpful, is it?

I don’t know but I heard that 40, 000 had left.

But it was only the 16 or 17 that left because of transphobia that were mentioned by NS

it was I think a Twitter leaving publisiced

"Do separatists read The Spectator or The Times? Or care what those papers think?"

Um, yes. Why wouldn't we?

Unsure of what is meant by "caring" what papers think

I think there's an entire new political party made up of mostly ex SNP members

Its interesting that the definition of transphobia starts with women standing up for their rights. I mean, we all know that TRAs see a focus on women as anti-trans but you'd think they'd start with the basics of actual physical violence rather than "literal violence" aka someone having opinions they don't like.

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Yep. Especially if they use the definition which is being heavily pushed...

www.transactual.org.uk/transphobia[/quote]
Given that they equate the definition of Woman: Adult Human Female with someone offensively using a banana, I'd suggest that they don't really understand biology.