The Guardian - 'Non Transgender Girls', 'Female Transwomen' - transwomen are now the default

[MiladyBerserko]

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Women are now 'non', no longer a word to describe us

Shocking journalism from The Guardian.

Archive link above, don't give the fuckers clicks

That ratio is a thing of glory.

General public aren't actively GC, but they aren't buying the bullshit.

Another lifelong Guardian reader here who cancelled her subscription last year. Those bastards will never see another penny from me after the way they've treated women.

@MumUndone This is why I think that woke ideology (for the want of a better term) is a cult. One of its foremost commands is not to think. You must never question one of its tenets, just keep pushing the ideology. Never ever consider the consequences of what you're proposing, or who it might hurt.

@Lordamighty

The Guardian have airbrushed that photo.

I need to rephrase my comment. That photo has been airbrushed in the groin area. It may not have been the Guardian that did the original work.

Well I’m certainly a Non-Guardian reader. They deserve to go under.

Of all the things they could celebrate from
The executive order. Fuckers

As one of the a Twitter replies mentioned - what about the mental wellbeing of trans men? Who may or may not have been at the top of their sporting game? But living their authentic life means not being able to compete (fairly) against biological men OR women. But no one gives a shit about their rights to sport? They presumably have accept that that life is over for them.

Thanks everyone for the clarification re airbrushing.

I'd seen pictures of Miller where it was clear Miller had male anatomy and pictures where it was not. I was troubled by the fact that only very right-wing US media outlets seemed to have pictures showing the outline of the anatomy, and I had concerns that there had been some doctoring in an attempt to make the point that Miller is not biologically female.

However, it seems that the pictures that show every contour of the athlete's body are the originals after all. Clearly, other outlets have felt the need to hide this from their audience.

Now, why would they feel the need to do that, I wonder...

This is a proper ‘jumper the shark’ moment for the Guardian.

@InsideNumberNine I guess, being women, they thought through the consequences of their decision to transition and didn't expect the whole damn world to change to accommodate them in their new identity.

The photos I posted are from a very pro Miller interview and article so no, I don't think the right wing media is doctoring photos.

Notice that Yearwood always wears loose fitting shorts.

I'd be interested to know how currently-competing female athletes feel about having male-bodied athletes compete against them or join their teams.

A lot of them would be afraid to speak up for fear of cancellation, harrassment, but is silence being mistaken for consent/agreement?

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

I'd be interested to know how currently-competing female athletes feel about having male-bodied athletes compete against them or join their teams.

A lot of them would be afraid to speak up for fear of cancellation, harrassment, but is silence being mistaken for consent/agreement?

Selina Soule lost out on a place and publicly complained. She was absolutely vilified to the extent that she was worried she wouldn't get offered a place at college but she did

www.iwf.org/2020/06/26/high-school-runner-who-lost-to-transgender-athletes-will-compete-in-college/

CranberriesChoccyAgain, Kellie-Jay /Posie Parker did an interview a while ago with someone from the US-based Save Women's Sport organisation.

Sadly, it seems that the TWAW propaganda has been so effective that many of the other girls accept it. They think that the mtf transitioners have a right to compete with them and that it is fair if they win.

Some girls push back, of course, like the ones in Connecticut. However, many of the girls themselves just see it as normal. It's really depressing.

I'm quite looking forward to posters coming on this thread and explaining how we're over-reacting and how this is not only acceptable, but something to be celebrated.

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]I would like to know the source of that picture before accepting it as the original image

www.ctpost.com/sports/highschool/amp/Jeff-Jacobs-Courage-award-for-transgender-13765719.php[/quote]
If you click on those pictures and choose "More like this" Pinterest shows you lots of mens races

However, many of the girls themselves just see it as normal. It's really depressing.

It will have to get to a stage where girls competing know they have no chance of winning, before they will wake up. How many US girls will have missed out on scholarships by that stage? It's all just incomprehensible.

I was struck by the utter selfishness and narcissism of this statement:

But the two transgender runners at the center of that case said in court filings that being able to run against girls was central to their wellbeing

As a general rule, we all know from our own childhood and adolescence that for young boys, beating girls is important to shore up their increasing socialisation into masculinity.

I was at secondary school in the early to mid 1970s - 45 years ago - but I can still remember the two male students who would ask me after every essay or other assessed work was give back "What did you get, Air?" (Always addressed me by my last name ...) These were the 2 boys who saw it as their right to coming top of the class, and I was their competition, although I was never that bothered.

Now, it's legal to beat girls by any means.

The Guardian have airbrushed that photo

Oh, but @Lordamighty eny fule kno that if you have long hair, you're a gurl. And chiz to anyone who sez different.

Ah I see the monitors have been reporting on this thread, we can’t have women speaking the truth & providing photographic evidence.

I think people need to avoid the “when it starts happening in large numbers” idea. This has already affected hundreds of women and girls.

When two athletes were allowed to compete in Connecticut high school athletics, Selina Soule and every other girl whose place was lowered by one or two in every competition these athletes took part were disadvantaged. Same with CeCe Telfer.

Aussie rules has 18 players on each side. When Hannah Mouncey was allowed to play in the lower leagues, one of Mouncey’s teammates sat on the bench each game. Maybe another didn’t make the squad because their place on the bench was taken. All of Mouncey’s teammates were disadvantaged by having to share changing facilities. All of Mouncey’s opponents were disadvantaged by having to tackle Mouncey. Then multiply that by how many teams are in that league. Then add the umpires who were placed in a compromising legal position should any serious injury had happened to a woman. This is hundreds of women.

When Mouncey switched to handball, a woman didn’t get selected to represent Australia at the world championships because Mouncey was in the squad. A woman who made the squad didn’t get to start in the final. All of these women were disadvantaged by having to share facilities with Mouncey, something they complained about.

When McKinnon won at the Masters cycling championships, every woman below had their place moved down by one.

When Laurel Hubbard won weightlifting gold in Samoa, Feagaiga Stowers, an 18 year old indigenous Samoan woman, a survivor of abuse, was denied gold at her home games. Every other woman who finished below Hubbard had their place lowered by one.

And so on, and so on. Hundreds of women and girls affected negatively already by just five examples of transgender athletes. It doesn’t need to get any bigger, it’s already too big.

Sorry, 6 athletes. And I’m ashamed to say I don’t know the names of all these women and girls, only those who were more prominent in their loss like Soule and Stowers. But somewhere there is a woman who finished 26th instead of 25th and that will matter to her, and even though I don’t know her name, it matters to me as well.

I'm quite looking forward to posters coming on this thread and explaining how we're over-reacting and how this is not only acceptable, but something to be celebrated.

Me too, especially as it's evident from the deletions that this thread is being watched.

And so on, and so on. Hundreds of women and girls affected negatively already by just five examples of transgender athletes. It doesn’t need to get any bigger, it’s already too big.

Jesus, that's depressing. My point though was about the female athletes and women who are supportive of trans rights. They will only realise when girls can't ever win and it becomes futile to try. Which is even more bloody depressing. A heck of a lot of women aren't on board yet, despite the hundreds you mention who are affected.

A heck of a lot of women apparently stupid enough to believe that the main purpose of female sport is for females to provide a loving, nurturing environment and a lovely experience for male people who are transitioning.

It isn't just the race either, it's the changing rooms. That quote effectively says those transitioning children require to be allowed to make use of female children for their wellbeing. That's the reality of it when you take the nice language away. Let's face it and talk about it: is it more important to nurture the well being of male children than for female children to have equal opportunity, privacy or even a voice in the decision taking these things away from them?