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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
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bellinisurge · 21/01/2021 09:10

I see republican voices talking about extremist provocative democrats and I laugh. And then I see this. Trying to mush gender woo in with important anti discrimination law relating to sexual orientation is provocative and dangerous.
Yes, dangerous because we all want people to be more relaxed and accepting of each other - "end the uncivil war". This is not how you do it.

Floisme · 21/01/2021 09:12

Yes I admit I'm not well versed in US lawmaking but I've never understood why the Democrats haven't tried harder to place abortion rights on a more secure footing when they've been in power. Call me cynical but it seems quite convenient to be able to hold it as a threat over women every 4 years.

MoleSmokes · 21/01/2021 09:12

This thread just goes to show that Biden’s “unity” stance is just hollow rhetoric and posturing.

Day 1: Boom! The limited equality rights of 99% of the population are dust and the female of the species in will suffer for it most.

How not to offer an olive branch to the nearly 49% who did not vote for him and start the much touted “national healing”. You can tell he has no respect for women and children from the multitude of videos showing him creepily pawing them.

It also can’t be long before he loses his rag again and starts yelling and snarling and punching people. Trump was petulant and sulky but Biden has shown himself time and again to be a hectoring bully.

The Democrats must have known they stood a good chance of winning the Presidency - and they put this chimp up to win the prize.

JamieLeeCurtains · 21/01/2021 09:13

@bellinisurge

You see the sexual orientation bit and you say Yay. And then you see the monstrous gender identity bit .....

Young women will be denied sports scholarship places at university because of this. That is a big deal particularly for those on low incomes. This will backfire on him.

Absolutely.
bellinisurge · 21/01/2021 09:13

Science includes biology. He says he believes in science.

If a young woman is denied a sports scholarship to university- a big thing in the US - because a person with all the advantages of male puberty gets it, that will be dreadful.

NecessaryScene1 · 21/01/2021 09:15

Call me cynical but it seems quite convenient to be able to hold it as a threat over women every 4 years.

Hmm Wink Star

GeorgiaMcGraw · 21/01/2021 09:15

Love the comment about how no black or muslim American would care. You really want to think that no black American women, no muslim woman is going to care about males being placed in women's sports teams, women's prisons, women's refuges? You think those women don't ever intersct with those services? Don't need female spaces? There are plenty of black, hispanic, muslim etc women fighting for women's rights. This is not a "white" thing. Sidenote, the whole Executive Order thing seems really undemocratic, un-American. Where is the scrutiny of a bill that negatively impact half the country?

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 09:15

Absolutely bellini.

MorrisZapp · 21/01/2021 09:16

Haven't read the thread but isn't it the case now that America is polarised, with all the supposedly empathetic liberal people being completely woke?

Could a gender critical politician win the liberal vote in the USA? They have virtually no GC movement that I'm aware of.

NecessaryScene1 · 21/01/2021 09:17

It's a funny thing, but women dont actually have to defer to any man these days. No matter his public face.

Yes. Don't be a handmaiden for Biden (and those behind him). Don't start making excuses for him.

Never start making excuses for politicians. Hold them responsible. They're supposed to work for you, not you for them.

EightiesRobot · 21/01/2021 09:17

I marched against Trump and the women's marches felt like a reawakening of feminism in response to him. I didn't understand at the time why they fizzled out although I heard there was unhappiness about the pussy hats and focus on sex-based issues such as reproductive rights. Looking back I can see that this was gender ideology undermining women's rights and the ability to fight at a time when women were uniting.

This Executive Order redefining sex is part of that - not separate and less important than issues such as maternity leave and abortion rights. It was expected but is still devastating when we should be focusing on the relief of Trump being gone.

beargrass · 21/01/2021 09:17

@NecessaryScene1

Whether politician A is "worse" than politician B is a personal judgment that depends on how you weight issues, and what you think their overall impact will be.

BUT

Regardless of who you think is "worse" you should be criticising A for the bad things they do and criticising B for the bad things they do.

You don't give either a pass on their bad stuff because you think they're better than the other one.

Absolutely.
CaraDuneRedux · 21/01/2021 09:17

@MorrisZapp

Haven't read the thread but isn't it the case now that America is polarised, with all the supposedly empathetic liberal people being completely woke?

Could a gender critical politician win the liberal vote in the USA? They have virtually no GC movement that I'm aware of.

Tulsa Gabbard for the Democrats is openly gender critical.
CaraDuneRedux · 21/01/2021 09:18

Tulsi - damned autocorrect.

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 09:18

I am not feeling great about this I must admit. It does not bode at all well, and not the start we were hoping for.

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 09:19

Another 4 years of this crap and I predict the Republicans will get in next time - without Trump.

A sad state of affairs all round.

Annasgirl · 21/01/2021 09:19

@nauticant

Said no black Muslim or Hispanic American ever.

If particular racial groups are entitled to prioritise their interests and what they want to campaign on, then this should also apply to other groups, for example groups of women. Or is there some reason why women have to attend to everyone else's interests first?

This

We are women first on this board and we will not apologise for wanting our rights - our hard fought for, and still not enshrined, rights, to be centre and first. We are sick of waiting in line, of being "nice", of playing fair - as Flo said, the TRAs are not sitting back waiting for Covid to be eradicated, or for poor people to get housing, no they are taking OUR sex based rights, our right to exist as a sex, and trampling all over it.

So, no, we won't play nice, give the "good man" some time to settle in, Hmm, and be outwitted, as we have been in so many other countries, by being "nice".

Helmetbymidnight · 21/01/2021 09:20

Yes, yes, I was just going to mention Tulsi - she's very brave.

turnitonagain · 21/01/2021 09:20

@GeorgiaMcGraw

Love the comment about how no black or muslim American would care. You really want to think that no black American women, no muslim woman is going to care about males being placed in women's sports teams, women's prisons, women's refuges? You think those women don't ever intersct with those services? Don't need female spaces? There are plenty of black, hispanic, muslim etc women fighting for women's rights. This is not a "white" thing. Sidenote, the whole Executive Order thing seems really undemocratic, un-American. Where is the scrutiny of a bill that negatively impact half the country?
Reread my comment.

I said it’s not their first concern.

Did you not notice the right wing mob in Washington a few weeks ago waving confederate and nazi flags?

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 09:23

Did you not notice the right wing mob in Washington a few weeks ago waving confederate and nazi flags?

We did. Awful.

We also noticed the Left wing mobsters waving baby pink and blue flags and baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire.

HecatesCats · 21/01/2021 09:24

Trump has been trying to overthrow democracy. He effectively said that he was going undermine the election results over a year before it took place and proceeded to behave in a way that was entirely predictable. He encouraged delusional supporters to invade the capitol to prevent democracy from taking place. Who knows what America under DT would have looked like after another term. Certainly the appointment of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court was a clear sign that Roe v Wade would be targeted. Abortion rights are sex based rights - to bodily autonomy - so the idea that Trump was good for women (particularly given his own vile personal history, is patently not true).

Biden is no better for women, he may be worse. Deciding that one of the first acts he should take is to include gender identity under the definition of sex, so anyone who says they're a women effectively is - creating a free for all in women's spaces - is a shot fired in the culture wars that will not help to calm an inflamed nation. There are some positives for women's rights in a nation where women's rights are well behind other western nations. These are to be welcomed, but they are undermined if whoever wants to be female IS female. America is committed to a journey where this has to play out (tragically that will mean some of the most vulnerable women in US society are put at increased risk and women's role in all sorts of arenas is undermined and usurped). We can see and we will increasingly see that this is what gender identity ideology leads to - we cannot be accused of getting upset over nothing. We can commit efforts to trying to prevent it happening here.

Rock and a hard place doesn't behind to describe it.

bellinisurge · 21/01/2021 09:24

I want to see what Karen Davies says. I mean, I can kinda guess, but I want to hear her voice.
You Kiddin' Right on YouTube for anyone that hasn't heard her yet. Black American woman with a forensic skill at picking through the woo.

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 09:29

Thanks for the tip bellini.

zzizzer · 21/01/2021 09:29

It's all part and parcel of the same broad problem: Womens rights. Religious rights. Ethnic rights.

All these things should be approached carefully, with thought and logic and care and safeguarding. Not "who can shout the loudest" or "which cause makes me look most woke?"

Day 1 and Biden has wiped out sex based rights for women. It'll be a hard one to backtrack on but hey, he and the powerful, privileged women in his party don't have to deal with a single consequence from it.

ISaySteadyOn · 21/01/2021 09:31

@Floisme

Yes I admit I'm not well versed in US lawmaking but I've never understood why the Democrats haven't tried harder to place abortion rights on a more secure footing when they've been in power. Call me cynical but it seems quite convenient to be able to hold it as a threat over women every 4 years.
That had never occurred to me before, but you have definitely got a point.
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