Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

[yourfaceisaforeignfood]

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

@PlantMam

Seen elsewhere online:

''There four''. I'm not perfect, but 😂 What a tool!

people with short grey hair and dark suits and plain shoes

Hey that's me to a t! Where's my male privilege?

Poor Kamala. How lovely to be a special vice president for no more reason than pretty hair. You'd think in all these years of men in power making all this noise about equality and kindness and accepting people for what they say they are that they would have managed to get a bit further with the whole 'there's nothing more to women than an appearance' issue they struggle with.

Don’t be so super yucky, @PlantMam 😂

That’s hilarious and terrifying at the same time.

I am though quite enjoying the idea of lining up all the American Presidents, in order, and inviting them to declare if any of them identified as being a woman. And then explaining to them about clownfish.

I don't think they'd be impressed really. With any of this. In fact I think it would make most of them extremely depressed.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9173767/Biden-signs-divisive-executive-order-pushing-schools-include-transgender-athletes-girls-sport.html#reader-comments

Comments. 😂

@UppityPuppity

She does know what a woman is when she needs to make a useful political point.

mobile.twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1351888479370752002

She ‘stands on their shoulders’ - will women and girls whose rights are annihilated on day one want to stand on hers?

Of course, if you've just thrown someone to the ground, "standing on the shoulders of other women" doesn't mean the same thing.

@PlantMam

Seen elsewhere online:

They are taking the piss, surely.

So as we live in these more 'open-minded' times, we must refer to Harris as the first assigned-female-at-birth Vice President and spare a thought for all the past male presidents and VPs who were so oppressed that we will never know whether they were men or women.
Got it.

Of course she knows. Everyone knows. This is what in regency times was known as a fashionable conceit.

We are not Terfs, we are Cassandras.
No one in Troy listened to her prophecies and we all know how that ended, don't we?

Interesting to see in the Mail comments the now popular belief that anyone who mentions women having rights is now extreme right wing.

There comes a point where you'd almost welcome armageddon.

As a permanently lapsed Catholic, this speaks to me:

"Many atheists laugh at the Catholic belief in transubstantiation—that a cracker can turn into the blood and body of Christ—yet somehow take seriously the notion that a person, by mere self-declaration, transforms into the opposite sex."

twitter.com/swipewright/status/1352380644681105408?s=21

So here's the full text of the order which explains that this isn't a new law as such but rather an order to federal agencies to ensure that the existing law protecting trans inclusion is adhered to: www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

So this awful terrible change - which also protects LGB people from discrimination - had already happened and the consequences were so devastating for women that ... err none of you noticed.

No wonder American feminists are looking at the UK's current moral panic about trans people and shaking their heads.

people with short grey hair and dark suits and plain shoes

Shit, me too, Michelle. All this time I've been nonbinary. From now on I insist everyone use hmph and urggh as my pronouns, thanks.

we are Cassandras.

Yep. And every time we're proved right it's just more depressing. What a shallow, silly shitshow is modern politics.

‘It’s just paperwork, we’ve already been using them for years, that never happens, that’s covered in a different law, it’s only a word, rights aren’t pie, there is no conflict, other feminists say it’s fine, we just want to pee, no debate’

Have I missed anything?

On a first reading of PlantMam's link I was laughing at its batshit immaturity. On reflection I'm actually a bit fucking furious that kids genuinely seem to lack the basic intelligence and education to work out why being the 'first AFAB' VP in 2021 might actually be both a pretty big deal and a triumph and an outrage.

Just coincidence that George Washington didn't have an 'AFAB' vice president in 1789 was it? Plenty of 'AFAB' candidates for Lincoln's VP but they didn't quite cut it in the final vote?? Fucksake.

How fucking young naive do you have to be to believe that biological sex has no impact?

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but as an American, I find these two comments on point:

OvaHere
Seems to me that in the US an issue doesn't exist unless it's on CNN or in the WaPo. Biden and his staffers won't be reading Mumsnet and they won't have heard of the likes of Yaniv because that only gets reported by niche publications. Social media as we know operates via algorithms so they probably are just in a feedback loop. The only place they might have heard complaints is Fox News and to everyone in the Biden administration Fox News = Faux News.

Zzizzer
"Everyone voted for it"

No they voted to get Trump out

@PlantMam

‘It’s just paperwork, we’ve already been using them for years, that never happens, that’s covered in a different law, it’s only a word, rights aren’t pie, there is no conflict, other feminists say it’s fine, we just want to pee, no debate’

Have I missed anything?

I'm amazed that our critic somehow knows exactly what every single woman, of every race and background in America thinks of women in the UK. Quite the gift, that.

I must have imagined the many, many posts I've read on another feminist forum where American women express the same concerns as us (and express a lot of admiration for radfems in the UK whilst they're at it.)

But, if jj knows a feminist in America that doesn't like us meanies, end of. Just like no Muslim women could possibly have their lives negatively impacted by all of this because jj happens to know a Muslim transwoman, so there!

I know you'll all be shocked to know the Guardian is thrilled

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/22/transgender-athletes-joe-biden-executive-order

I can't say I'm surprised that this is being celebrated by the male supremacists among us. This is a decision made solely for men's benefit.

I know you'll all be shocked to know the Guardian is thrilled

F**rs.

I note the ‘nation’s broadcaster’ has been quiet on the annihilation of women’s rights in the US - more any coverage might help with balance after being so keen to pin rapes on women - as per recent threads.

@Barracker thank you for that very thoughtful reply; I appreciate you spending the time on it. I do agree with you, it took me a while to get my head around it but I have spent so much time in FWR in the last 3 or 4 years, that I think it would be difficult not to have 'got' it.

Perhaps I was just wasting time - indulging in a spot of intellectual masturbation - when I asked about abortion. It was a very specific point about abortion only though. I really enjoyed your 'Pronouns are Rohypnol' post, and I think that abortion rights are a bit like that. If the right to have an abortion is extended to men too, it would be the start of a slow (well, not very slow at all) creep towards everything being human unless you're male, in which case you are male as a subset of human and women are.....? not included in the ccategory human or perhaps included only as non-men. I do see that.

When someone asks me - and it doesn''t happen often I'm afraid, I don't have much rl contact with people who think at all these days, let alone think about this sort of abstract struff - when someone asks me what the problem with extending the right to have an abortion to people who will never need it, I have always been a bit flummoxed other than to say it's the beginning of the end, or words to that effect. I'm not sure there's actually a different answer, is there? Not different in substance anyway. (Conversations about maternity rights also follow a similar pattern.)

Very strangely round here I have a reputation for being a bit intellectual as well as a bit strange, and that I dress like a gypsy (I don't, it''s more like a hippy.) so I don't have much credibility to lose anyway.

Sorry for the hijack. Thanks to you all for trying to sort my brain out. I am more of a radfem every day, though it doesn't look much like it from this thread alone.

"I wonder if it all boils down to Biden and pals wanting to throw a bone to the Woke that doesn't involve raising taxes or stirring the pot with other issues that are seen as even more contentious ('defund the police' anyone?)."

Freespeecher That's exactly what I think, too. None of what Biden did is irreversible. He's doing the equivalent of patting the waggy tails on the head.
They're so self-centred, they'll never see it.

If the right to have an abortion is extended to men too, it would be the start of a slow (well, not very slow at all) creep towards everything being human unless you're male, in which case you are male as a subset of human and women are.....? not included in the ccategory human or perhaps included only as non-men. I do see that.

Why do you think that men (as in born men) would have rights to abortion?
Im sorry, but you sound confused - when people are saying that men can have abortion rights, they mean trans men - (as in born female) and are trans men.
Born men cannot give birth, why do you seem to think that they want the right to have an abortion too?
Trans men.
They can get pregnant, they have rights to abortion as well.
Which is what is meant.
Women are still women, trans men are still trans men.