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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

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UppityPuppity · 22/01/2021 08:58

Details of where to write to. Not sure if it is ok for those outside the US to write - but worth a shot - this has implications for all of us. If they pressure for example, the UN /WHO to erase sex and change it to gender identity, the impact on women and girls in lower income countries will be catastrophic.

womensliberationfront.salsalabs.org/demandpresidentbidenrestorewomensrights/index.html

NecessaryScene1 · 22/01/2021 09:00

why should this be secondary to any other issue?

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So I think when it comes specifically to women's rights, and these rights, these Federal rights that you have in America, I think Biden is a much greater threat.

I think these are going to be much more difficult to get back, actually. I think abortion, and I know there are some people in my chat that don't agree with it, [...] I know that some people do think that abortion is murder, but actually I think that those those are rights that could come back if you lost them. I think maybe it was always going to come down to that for some people, and I still actually think that the right to be recognized as a female in law is a much greater and important right than any other, because without it everything else follows.

[...]

Look, this might be a fight we lose, but we are going to fight it, because otherwise we lose with no dignity. And i want to lose with dignity; even if I lose I want to lose... I want to look my daughter in the eye, I want to look her right in the eye and I want to tell her that when her rights were being given away I did my absolute best to try and hold on to them for her.

When my mother is elderly and she's in a care home (unless she lives with me) but when my mother is older and she requires care or she goes into hospital and there are men on her ward, or there's a male nurse who calls himself Juliet, I want to look my mother in the eye and I want to tell her that when our rights were being given away that I did everything that I could to hold the line.

And you need to be able to do that too. You need to be able to look in the mirror and you need to ask yourself are you doing everything, am I doing everything I possibly can to hold the line, to hold back the erasure of women's rights, to hold back the erasure of girls rights, to hold back the erasure of the rights of biological females, that biological females before us fought for? Threw themselves under a bloody horse for!

So that's what we've got to do. That's the first thing we're going to do. We're going to bring this argument about body autonomy, we're going to shove it in the faces of people that talk about abortion rights and use this language about body autonomy; and we're going to remind them that body autonomy also means being able to have private space, private time and private bodies that are not accessible to men. For all biological females.

She's quite an orator. Largely unscripted, as far as I can tell...

dyslek · 22/01/2021 09:00

I could not bring myself to comment last night as was too disturbed by this, and the timing of it is sinister.

Genuinly feeling sick in my stomach about this.

Sending solidarity and love to all our American sisters.

You can fight this.

We are, and we will support you any way we can.

Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:01

Of course, I haven't forgotten. Over here we have an actual War against Women. There's a reason Planned Parenthood clinics have metal detectors

Wars can come in many forms....and invalidating the actual biological reality of women as a specific social groups with its own needs and requirements, is a pretty fundamental one.

Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:05

Very happy about the news, trans people deserve to feel safe and protected at work and school and this is excellent, I hope the uk follows suit

We already have equality laws in Britain. All citizens have equal civil rights. One group accessing the spaces, services and sports set aside especially for another group is not a basic civil right.

Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:08

FALGSC, short for Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, is a leftist transhumanist ideology focused on achieving a world in which automation has created a post-scarcity communist society where homosexuality is considered normal and is even encouraged, and space travel is commonplace. It is essentially Soctrans Socialist Transhumanism but with the added element of Gay LGBTQ rights being a primary goal. As a cyborg transhumanist ideology, it uses It/Its pronouns

That sounds incredibly niche.

I think the above is just a taste of what we are in for going forward. Transhumanism in various forms. Very detached from earthly reality, and in which earthly reality is seen as something to be overcome, rather than worked with and accommodated.

feelingquitehopeful · 22/01/2021 09:11

To see Amanda Gorman radiating with eloquence and intelligence - her delivery was breathtaking - and there can not be a person alive who can not see her making it all the way to top. She is utterly incredible, and yet at the same time she now no longer exists in her current form. Her sex erased, her beautiful voice and poetry has not yet registered the loss.

Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:11

What sort of women's problems? Prostrate cancer rates? Premature ejaculation? Erectile dysfunction

Maybe the poster meant things such as access to safe, protected spaces which provide for the dignity of one's sex; access to fair sporting competition, and to funding and scholarships for sporting excellence, and so on.....

To suggest that this is a secondary issue is to miss the the whole point. It is a primary, first order issue - into which all of the others feed.

Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:13

Maybe also to the right of a low paid beautician to decide who she treats, and her right to determine her basic conditions of work.

Tanith · 22/01/2021 09:15

I'm guessing that the Biden campaign was heavily subsidised by the Trans lobby and was subject to certain promises.
His actions could be simply getting those promises out of the way.

What does the declaration he signed actually say? And how far can it, and his appointments, be quietly reversed?

I don't know why the TRAs are cheering. In their place, I'd be worried that this their lot, now he's got what he wanted.

MaudTheInvincible · 22/01/2021 09:17

@Justhadathought

Very happy about the news, trans people deserve to feel safe and protected at work and school and this is excellent, I hope the uk follows suit

We already have equality laws in Britain. All citizens have equal civil rights. One group accessing the spaces, services and sports set aside especially for another group is not a basic civil right.

That's right. It's not a basic right; it's common-or-garden oppression.
Justhadathought · 22/01/2021 09:19

What does the declaration he signed actually say? And how far can it, and his appointments, be quietly reversed

Yes, that tends to be how politics actually works. You make promises and set agendas, and then once the rush of the victory subsides, real life dawns and policy changes are subject to further debate, and to bureaucratic challenges and other hurdles.

highame · 22/01/2021 09:31

^ I hope, I really hope. There are lots of checks and balances, so fingers crossed and of the NYT takes up the cause (recognising there's a lot of interest and a lot of GC people, including LGBT) then I have to be hopeful.

There's a lot of loud aggression in the TRA camp, the headphones of high office and wanting to keep Democrats in power might dull the noise

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/01/2021 09:33

[quote PotholeParadies]Follows suit in what way?

Gender reassignment has been a protected characteristic here since 2010.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/protected-characteristics/gender-reassignment-discrimination/[/quote]
They never answer, do they? Just plop on with nonsense and consider us schooled.

samanthawashington · 22/01/2021 09:43

A poor move morally, but politically ridiculous. Women make up a great number than trans folk, and they will wake up to see they need their safe spaces

PronounssheRa · 22/01/2021 09:53

Oh, women aren't my enemies. The fash, however, are

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.
EdgeOfACoin · 22/01/2021 09:55

They never answer, do they? Just plop on with nonsense and consider us schooled.

Always.

New lurkers, pay attention to the questions that are asked and are not answered. It's very instructive.

feelingquitehopeful · 22/01/2021 09:57

What is a fash? Confused

MiladyBerserko · 22/01/2021 10:00

The fash' are over on the Style & Beauty board. I wouldn't rate your chances with those shrewd ladies though

feelingquitehopeful · 22/01/2021 10:00

In answer samantha it is 0.42% of the population! So a really really really tiny number. It is completely shocking.

MichelleofzeResistance · 22/01/2021 10:03

Very detached from earthly reality, and in which earthly reality is seen as something to be overcome, rather than worked with and accommodated.

As demonstrated by the semi literate poster who appeared to think they were in the middle of some Game of Thrones role play. Confused

Will never work since its the creation of a counter elite who in order to be plugged into 24 hour a day LARPing would be dependent on the non players to do things like keep the lights on, keep them fed, produce food, etc. Basically the role of mum in the overgrown kidult in the basement trope. It's already not working. The Irish thread demonstrates; when the little lies are supported to be kind, the lies just get bigger and the demands to indulge them get more aggressive and confident, and you end up with a situation where society has no alternative but to say no, and weather the tantrum. Are govt really going to go with accepting alternative facts that basically go "This court case didn't happen (because we don't agree with it)". They've already indulged "This law actually says this because we re wrote it to a version we like better."

If you look around on the relationships board this is nothing new, nothing spaceaged and exciting, this is the exact same behaviour that's very well known to women and has been for centuries. It's based on knowing that the person you wish to exploit has limits, boundaries, morals and a sense of responsibility you can use to keep their hands tied while you do anything you like to them. And if they try to reason with you, you pitch a tantrum and blame them. And being reasonable people, they will try to negotiate, reason and understand.

There is a reason why going no contact is so very often mentioned in the relationships section of MN, and phrases are well known there like "Being reasonable only works if there are two reasonable parties involved."

Sometimesonly · 22/01/2021 10:06

And all because we think female people exist and should have sex-based rights!

I find it so scary the number of women (also men but the women shock me more) who come out with bollocks like " we don't really know what a woman is - there is no definition" - as if a few years ago ANYBODY had any difficulty in recognising that a woman is an adult human female.

bellinisurge · 22/01/2021 10:09

If it's not already been linked. Here's the voice of an American woman

Winesalot · 22/01/2021 10:17

Very happy about the news, trans people deserve to feel safe and protected at work and school and this is excellent, I hope the uk follows suit

If you are in the UK, you already have those rights. If you didn’t know this, maybe do some research on the anti-discrimination laws for the UK.

Or... are you talking about being allowed to overwrite the bits about where there is provision for the exclusion of males with whatever gender identity from female single sex provisions??

Are you talking about THOSE rights? Where the rights of women to feel safe and protected at work and school are completely diminished and replaced with the rights of people who are male.....

fatblackcatspaw · 22/01/2021 10:23

@NotBadConsidering

Always interesting to read certain posters on here talking about tinfoil hats and paranoia and happy to contribute to the celebration of the removal of the rights of women and girls. The absence of those posters on threads about puberty blockers, the inadequate standards of Tavistock, the damage done to children, the threads about the mental health impacts on a trans man, etc is always noted, consequences that have all been entirely predicted by posters here over the years, with previous allegations of paranoia made only to be subsequently justified.
THIS.... I'm happy to fashion a tinfoil hat if it means I'm fighting for women's rights. US women organise now, Crowfd fund court cases do not rest.