Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

[yourfaceisaforeignfood]

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

@highame

In 2 years time there are more elections, given that both the Democrats and the Republicans seem to live in their own bubbles, there will be little awareness of what actual people think. The ballot box may show what's happening. jj you said there were no issues in NY but given that the media has closed down anything 'transphobic' (in my book facts) there is no certainty in your statement. We are in a very sad state of affairs.

JJ thinks everything is about toilets. It's not. The situation with Decaudin in NYC was certainly an issue. Decaudin took a space that I believe would otherwise have gone to a black woman.

www.womenarehuman.com/man-elected-to-female-leadership-seat-that-was-created-to-ensure-female-participation-in-politics/

The mighty Martina Navratilova has tweeted "not OK" in response to the following tweet:

"Do people really think that the demands of a male to be allowed to perform intimate procedures on women because they say they’re a woman should be prioritised over women’s right to have a female perform these procedures?
Eg. Rape kits, cervical smears, strip searches"

twitter.com/martina/status/1352280174176428032?s=21

So it's getting noticed by important voices

With all due respect @cinammonbuns, can we not be concerned about protecting you as a woman and a black individual-

? Unlike tra and women's rights the two don't impede on eachother.
I think you'd find most people would absolutely be with you on racism being.a huge barrier, although this looks very different both sides of the pond, both troubling though. I don't understand why I am only allowed to care about one issue at a time, especially when the I interests of both groups often coincide (eg safe spaces for Muslim women).

I mean, I have a disabled son and think how people with disabilities have been abandoned during covid is appalling, but it doesn't stop me being concerned about how women's rights are being threatened.

Yet you are dismissing the voices of non-white women who are in accord with white women here.

Our commonality is our sex.

It's simply "Oh dismiss the feminists because it's just White feminism" "Shut up Karens"

Ad bloody nauseum.

cina Well you should be feeling doubly disadvantaged if you are biological woman - indeed you should be very frightened. This legislation is not going to protect you or your dds, and thanks to this legislation your chances of staying safe, keeping your dignity and competing fairly are now fucked if you are in the States.

You might not care, but there are plenty of rape victims that will tell you otherwise.

So you should absolutely care, and if you don't you are either very misguided or not really understanding the depth of the problem I would say.

@Tootsweets23

US politics on this issue is so different to the UK. This is seen as the civil rights issue of the generation, and anyone questioning it is a bigot, trumpian etc. The lines are so stark no one on the left can question it (or indeed does seem to question it). I think it stems from a common (wrong) view that trans people are biologically different to their original sex. So trans women in sport isn't biological males competing and cheating against women, it is some sort of non-male/sex is a binary person that means it is unfair for them to compete against biological males as they will lose as they are weaker like biological females. Ditto they aren't a threat to women in bathrooms as they aren't males.

It is drivel and anti-scientific, but once you frame everything with this logic, it makes sense for democrats and lefties. Gender is an identity and comes with a different biology that makes the person have the traits of their desired sex in whatever way they want to claim.

As awful as it will be for US women and girls, it feels to me like the US has to go through this and come out the other side either with the republicans in the ascendency or for the left to realise that the scientific beliefs they have are horseshit and they are sacrificing women's rights for men. Again.

US politics is very ‘good or evil’, ‘pick a side’. Just having the two parties like that encourages a lack of deeper enquiry when thinking about issues. It’s ‘This is a Bad Thing that Republicans do/think - you’re either an evil Republican or a lovely liberal Dem’.

That’s why when women raise concerns, all the Dems can hear is “I’m an evil transphobe” even when the most mild point is being raised in the gentlest, politest way. That’s their black and white thinking.

In addition, there’s much more gender conformity in the US. That shocked me. So the result of that is that many US people really can’t get their heads round the idea that someone who wears a dress still retains the bio sex of male and, indeed, might very much consider themselves a man. Any show of a move towards things associated with the opposite see can only be understood by them as a move towards being that sex or claiming that ‘gender identity’.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is that deep within a surprising number of liberal US people are unconscious rigid ideas about gender - hence the popularity of gender identity, which is basically based on stereotypes. They think they’re being oh-so-modern, but they’re just as wedded to stereotypes as those ‘quiverful’ families who dress their boys in blue shorts and their girls in pink pinafores.

As for Biden, I think he thinks he’s ‘being kind’ and being modern. I don’t think he’s given the slightest thought to the effects on women. Probably didn’t even enter his mind. I don’t think he grasps the situation at all.

@Viviennemary

I don't think anybody will be bothered about this at all. Only place I see it raised is on MN.

Probably because there are very few places you're allowed to openly discuss women's rights these days.

GenderCritical on Reddit had thousands upon thousands of posters from all over the world, as did the spin off subs. Shutting down discussion and deleting these forums, and banning people from Twitter, and getting rival social media platforms shut down doesn't mean these people and their concerns disappear. It makes them angrier, and more determined.

People will notice, as has been pointed out, when girls are being sexually assaulted and raped at school. That is going to happen, no doubt about it. Mums and dads might have something to say about that.

Same for when their daughters are hurt, hopefully not in a life changing way, because they're forced to play sports against males. Or when they're denied access to a woman to intimately examine them because ''this male is a woman, you bigot, see you in court''.

People will notice, it's just a fucking disgrace that women and girls are going to have to harmed in high numbers to make people wake the fuck up. Never see much sympathy for them from the people who pretend to care so much about 'human rights' though.

@TheBuffster I don’t believe you can only focus on one issue at a time but for me it’s focusing on the stain on the pot when the whole kitchen is on fire. Perhaps for people who do not face racism this is a huge issue for them. For me it is not at all.

Also I would like to mention that just because in the U.K. we do not see killings of black people by police does not mean there is no systematic racism. The difference is largely due to the fact UK police officers do not routinely carry guns whereas US ones do. Just to make it clear it is not sunshine and roses for black people in the U.K.

I’m not sure if you are replying to me but I did not say anything if the sort of what you were mentioning in the latter part of the comment. For me it is important to note that the largest voices in the gender critical movement do seem to be white women. While non white women tend to be focused on other issues of women’s rights. Is that not telling at all? That perhaps for non white women there are more pressing concerns?

I can not actually imagine the fear and the pain of being trapped and locked in a cell with a rapist dressed as woman. It is something that haunts me as a survivor. At least on the outside you have some chance of making a run for it, of beating someone off. What can you do locked in a tiny prison cell?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/seven-sex-attacks-in-womens-jails-by-transgender-convicts-cx9m8zqpg

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211325/Female-prison-officers-raped-inmates-self-identify-trans-women-claim.html

@purpleboy

No surprise to see quaggers popping up with absolutely nothing useful to add as usual, I'm sure there are a few question put to you you've still not answered, and again no surprise to see JJ smug and happy that women are being stripped of their rights. Even on here women aren't allowed to discuss issues affecting us without "people" Jumping on in glee to give us a good kicking.

I know right! Its so tiresome.

This seems like a useful explanation by Elizabeth Hungerford. There might be some hope. Text from Facebook posted below.

www.facebook.com/510157683/posts/10158015597962684/?d=n

I will add to this list, as needed.

These are my thoughts about Biden’s Executive Order (EO) decreeing that sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI) be recognized as protected characteristics under federal laws that prohibit discrimination ON THE BASIS OF SEX:

1. This Executive Order was expected. It’s politics as usual, not particularly groundbreaking.

1. It applies to federal agencies who will have to issue guidance consistent with the EO within the next 100 days—these details will be critical to any assessment of the EO’s true impact.

1. There is a clear acknowledgement of possible EXCEPTIONS. It may not look like much, but the mere mention that conflicts might exist is a huge concession not previously observed in Obama-era guidance:

“Under Bostock‘s reasoning, laws that prohibit sex discrimination — including Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, as amended (20 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.), the Fair Housing Act, as amended (42 U.S.C. 3601 et seq.), and section 412 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (8 U.S.C. 1522), along with their respective implementing regulations — prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation, so long as the laws do not contain sufficient indications to the contrary.”

SO LONG AS. So long as...there is no conflict. Because there might be! Recognize!!

1. Protecting all people from discrimination in housing, employment, credit, education, etc. is the legal BASELINE from which exceptions protecting women’s sex-based need for sex-segregated spaces can/must/will be carved.

The opposite approach: where SOGI cannot be protected unless and until women’s sex based rights are clearly articulated is both politically unrealistic and backwards. The overarching principle must be protection for all, then the careful needle threading of biological sex-based protections can be articulated through judicial interpretations of real world applications.

The religious right and their friends takes the “backwards” approach because they don’t actually want SOGI protections at all. But feminists want both!

1. Updated Title IX sporting regulations are the highest priority to watch for. I believe they will echo 2016’s Obama-era “Dear Colleague” letter, which was callous in its disregard for girls’ legal interests in sex-segregated contexts.

Updated Title IX guidance, in turn, will fast track the CT girls’ track case where female plaintiffs are represented by Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), a close partner of WoLF’s. I believe is for sex versus gender in American law.

Further, I believe ADF can and will win that case with the conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

TLDR:
In summary, keep the faith and STAY FOCUSED. The roller coaster 🎢 ride is not over yet. Not by a long shot.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

Well, if it's pushed into the spotlight then more people will inevitably start to take notice, I suppose. And sport has proved to be one of the areas that the general populace tend to notice the issues rather quickly.

Good luck, women of the US. I don't envy you - between the erosion of abortion rights and the march of gender ideology, it can't be easy.

UK is going to look pretty isolated if it attempts to pursue policies hostile to trans inclusion.

''UK is going to look pretty isolated if it continues to protect women and girls.''

Just say it, will you, for God's sake.

And even for me in this discussion I have seen too many women here dismissing anything to do with addressing discrimination as ‘woke’ nonsense. Whatever your views about trans right I do hope that your views on discrimination towards other minorities are not as dismissive.

I could not align myself with a movement like that.

For me it is important to note that the largest voices in the gender critical movement do seem to be white women.

Really? Have you failed to notice that a lot of the women taking, or who have taken, gender ideology to court, are not white?

I think we need to be demanding answers for our own MPs, this needs to be raised in Parliament as to whether we can receive some reassurance from Boris Johnson that we will not be subjected to similar here. I think we need to know it will not happen under any circumstances. Emailing the MPs is quick and easy.

I have also contacted various newspapers to ask them run some stories on this, it is obvious now to me that this underhand slippery motion was allowed to happen because there is very little conversation or opposition to it. No one should underestimate the strength of feeling in THIS country. Better to get that out there now I believe.

We are not going to stand for this here. Absolutely no way.

cina I think we can probably do without you to be honest.

@cinammonbuns do you believe that a woman who has asked for a female healthcare professional to carry out an intimate procedure has the right to actually get a female, and not a male who identifies as a woman? Is it discriminatory to not allow a male to carry out a smear test on a woman who has asked for a female?

Is it discrimination to exclude males from female sports?

Is it discrimination to not allow a male rapist to be housed in a female prison, if the male rapist identifies as a woman?

Is it discrimination to exclude males from female refuges?

That's very prejudiced, and very wrong thinking of you cinnamon.

Remind me again of the ethnicities of Keira Bell and Alison Bailey?

Also: Lesbians taking to the High Court - mixed race.

British women fighting in the UK against FGM and the Tras attacking them - East African origin.

The Black led/focused South London women's collectives under attack from TRAs.

East London (Newham) womens collectives under attack. From MRAs and TRAs......

@Tootsweets23

US politics on this issue is so different to the UK. This is seen as the civil rights issue of the generation, and anyone questioning it is a bigot, trumpian etc. The lines are so stark no one on the left can question it (or indeed does seem to question it). I think it stems from a common (wrong) view that trans people are biologically different to their original sex. So trans women in sport isn't biological males competing and cheating against women, it is some sort of non-male/sex is a binary person that means it is unfair for them to compete against biological males as they will lose as they are weaker like biological females. Ditto they aren't a threat to women in bathrooms as they aren't males.

It is drivel and anti-scientific, but once you frame everything with this logic, it makes sense for democrats and lefties. Gender is an identity and comes with a different biology that makes the person have the traits of their desired sex in whatever way they want to claim.

As awful as it will be for US women and girls, it feels to me like the US has to go through this and come out the other side either with the republicans in the ascendency or for the left to realise that the scientific beliefs they have are horseshit and they are sacrificing women's rights for men. Again.

This 100 percent.

I for one welcome that this is an Executive Order as it can and will be challenged in the lower courts at the state level and when that happens, it means sunlight on some unscientific myths. I truly, truly do not think people in the US get it.

@feelingquitehopeful well yes if that is the response of a GC feminist who is confronted by the suggesting that for non white women trans issues may not be their biggest issue then I absolutely do not want to be associated with the movement in any way shape or form.

Enjoy your echo chamber!

@feelingquitehopeful

cina I think we can probably do without you to be honest.

Why? Because someone has a different opinion to you? Cina has just as much right as you to post, you may want an echo chamber of no dissent but that's not the way it works.

"I only see it raised on mn"

Well yeah I don't go around blurting it out all over the place. I'd be fired.

"Everyone voted for it"

No they voted to get Trump out