Gender critical men

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I'm still trying to get my head around things, so please go easy on me. My eyes have been opened to trans ideology and I'm getting worried about my daughter's future. I've also noticed preferred pronouns slipping in at the end of email signatures... just little things, but I fear it's so insidious that it'll be too late before the wider public takes note.

I was just wondering if the key to this whole mess would be to get men onside? Adult, male humans. Do they want to be putting he/him on the end of emails? Do they want their daughters going into toilets/on school trips/into women's health centres with men? Do they want their sons being told they could have female brains? Do they want their daughters binding their breast? Just a few example, but you know what I mean.

I understand that this issue affects women massively. But we're not alone. It seems we're the only ones trying to fight it. Or... we're fighting it on different terms. Is that it? Do gender critical men tend to be the right wing, Christian types? Are there any men out there who feel the same concerns as us.... not necessarily on behalf of women... but for themselves? Or for their daughters and sons?

I don't know if I've made myself clear. But, I suppose my point is that this has become a feminist issue whereas perhaps it should be an everyone issue? If it's all wokekind against radical feminists, we're not going to get anywhere. I'm as woke as fuck except on this issue. There have got to be more wokies (and men) who just haven't thought about it. They're just trying to be kind.

As soon as any issue moves into the larger public sphere, with public policy, employment laws, etc, it belongs to everyone, in the sense that anyone can contribute to the discussion and has an interest. So yes, men can and should have opinions.

A lot of what keeps men from having a strong opinion is the same things that keep women from having one - they don't know a lot about it, or what they know is't really accurate, or they are too busy to deal with that kind of concern because they have more pressing things in their lives.

I was talking to a young guy at a party who is a good example - you'd think he was pretty knowledgable, he was 25, university educated, urban, gay and very involved in the gay community, and he confidently said that "gender is about presentation, sex is about biology" And he was totally shocked when I told him that there are people who think sexuality should be about gender, not sex. That had just not crossed his path at all. I don't think that's at all unusual.

On the other hand, I did have a rather rough, rural, male tradesman relative ask me one if I was a TERF, and then when I guess I looked trepidatious, he said "Don't worry, I'm a TERF too." And my male gay friend who is not at all involved in the gay community (I think he would faint at a Pride parade) rather timidly told me that he "thought all this gender stuff is kind of wrong." So I think there are plenty who are aware of the problems.

KlopposCat

"Because the implication is that if I was single with no female relatives, then I'd have no reason to call out bullshit. The one person I've discussed these issues with in real life is my adult daughter. She thinks that any gender critical views are inherently phobic, and that I am intolerant for some of the views that I hold on the subject. So again, I find myself in opposition to a highly educated, sensible woman who takes time to think these issues through for herself. It's problematic."

And? Having them and not doing it because you think it may make you look bad in a hypothetical surely is even worse.

Highly educated = more time having been brainwashed. And she sounds smart at least, because the only way one can logically be anti-GC is if one believes in the assumption that it is an inherently phobic line of thought. If one doesn't, any logic applied to the situation would confirm it. So if you are smart and believe in logic, in order to believe in TWAW you must accept the premise that it is inherently phobic. Which also aligns with the brainwashing. It would have been a huge mental act to go through all that education and fight against this ideology. Much easier to just go along and accept the premise and live in blissful denial.