Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent

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goodlawproject.org/update/advisory-group-transgender/

I know that there is another thread on JM but thought I would start a new one as this has just been released. First of all he has named the people on his advisory committee. They include Alex Sharpe, whom we know all about and about whom no more needs to be said.
Second, they are trying to force a change of policy from the Tavistock that they give PBs simply on parental consent to children who cannot consent to them. That is chilling and dangerous and puts an awful lot of power in the hands of adults with nobody to protect the child’s interests. JM has lost the plot.

Following the link to Maya's twitter, I have just fallen into a hole looking at funding of Gender GP etc. I see 'my web doctor' limited is being scrapped, (one of the companies associated with Gender GP).

'voluntary strike off' - Dec 22nd.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09306407/filing-history

That clutch of companies have a fair bit of history already.

@JamieLeesCurtains

Actually that's a very important point, *@SadlyMissTaken*.

What if an influential man were claiming a personal motivation in order to help disguise the fact that he's really just an out and out misogynist?

There's probably a lot of that going on. 'I've got a friend ...', 'I've got a constituent ...'

I doubt it's anything as calculated as that. He behaves like a good old-fashioned male chauvinist pig towards women who try to have a conversation with him, but I think he is driven by a need to always be right. He could have gone quiet on this (many others have), but he just can't let it go and admit that he was wrong. He has lost the plot, like his boss said.

@merrymouse

I just wonder why people are so keen to ascribe a personal motivation when so many men have clearly needed no such thing

I think there are 2 reasons - Some of his tweets have referred to a personal situation; and the lack of professional courtesy towards judges and other lawyers with specific expertise is strange.

And the fact that in 2018 he tweeted that allowing transwomen on all women’s shortlists was wrong and since then he has done a complete 360. That suggests that there is something else motivating him, as he clearly hasn’t always thought the way he currently does.

@ArabellaScott

Following the link to Maya's twitter, I have just fallen into a hole looking at funding of Gender GP etc. I see 'my web doctor' limited is being scrapped, (one of the companies associated with Gender GP).

'voluntary strike off' - Dec 22nd.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09306407/filing-history

That clutch of companies have a fair bit of history already.

I can’t make head nor tail of the webberley’s financial comings and goings. It needs a proper forensic accountant going through it, IMO.

Someone is already doing some serious digging into GenderGP’s finances...

Good to hear!

I just wonder why people are so keen to ascribe a personal motivation when so many men have clearly needed no such thing.

I take your point and maybe it is just plain old misogynistic one-upmanship. Maybe he is using the suggestion of a personal interest to lend his campaign more credibility. Either way, I think it's a matter of transparency. If there is an interest he should declare it and likewise the opposite if not. JM has hinted that this issue affects someone he loves. He is asking people to donate to support legal action, I think that it's only right and proper that he is open about his motivations. We are used in this country to campaigns that seek to change laws and protocols brought by people with a personal connection, or experience. With such cases we know where we stand and what is driving the people involved. I think it's a bit rum to either be loose with the truth about a personal connection or not to be declaring one, it doesn't allow people to make informed decisions about their support.

Whatever his motivation is/was, one of the most insidious aspects of the TRA ideology is how difficult it is to reverse ferret.

As soon as you "join" you are overwhelmed with positive and affirming support. You're equally instructed to cut off any negativity.

So down the rabbit hole you go.

I read a really upsetting blog from a girl who'd de-transitioned. She'd become completely dependent on her online support and their validation of her transition, having been urged to block anyone who didn't offer their 100% support of her trans journey.

Then, she started getting some "uncomfortable" (you can guess...) communications and when she expressed her discomfort she got accused of kink shaming and threatened with a mass block of all the "friends" she had come to depend on.

It's a well known tactic.

You'd think JM would be too clever to fall for this (and there is no doubt he is very clever but he's also I suspect very ambitious and fame hungry).

Like others, for a time I suspect he enjoyed the adoration of the TRA's and each tweet that got him more "likes" (the more on board he got) played to his SJW mentality and the desire to be celebrated.

That's his Achilles heel.

He's too clever to be wrong so however the ridiculous the argument he wants to play in response to the Bell case, he's going to do it anyway - because being told by his peers he's lost the plot is far better than admitting to himself that he's fucked up and failed to understand the issues at hand.

It’s noticeable that JM gets relatively few likes for his tweets about trans issues compared to other issues and his large following. I don’t think he has as much support for his position as he thinks he has.

[quote HDDD]Someone may have said this already on one of the JM threads but I'd totally missed the Mumsnet/Good Law collab www.mumsnet.com/news/86-percent-of-child-maintenance-service-users-say-it-was-used-to-control-or-abuse-them?utm_source=boxingday&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-12-26&utm_term=2020+and+all+that%3A+the+end-of-the-year+Mumsnet+roundup&rei=202653[/quote]
Thanks for that! It's mentioned in the New Year update (goodlawproject.org/news/new-years-update-good-law-project/), but hasn't made it into this section of its website goodlawproject.org/issues/no-one-left-behind/

I suspect the GLP will soon sever ties with Mumsnet because Mumsnet has the audacity to allow women to speak (somewhat, in very couched terms, which still, on the whim of a mod, get you a ban, when they were fine yesterday).

@AlwaysTawnyOwl

It’s noticeable that JM gets relatively few likes for his tweets about trans issues compared to other issues and his large following. I don’t think he has as much support for his position as he thinks he has.

And let's bear in mind that JM has blocked anyone who has dared to openly dissent, however mildly. So even among people who aren't openly sceptical about the trans stuff, there is clearly not much support for it.

Does anyone ever wonder how much genuine support there is out there for transing children and believing that people like Eddie Izzard are really women? There's a lot on Twitter, but even there I think it's a case of empty vessels making most noise. In the real world, I suspect most people think it's ridiculous.

@Xanthangum

*As soon as you "join" you are overwhelmed with positive and affirming support. You're equally instructed to cut off any negativity.

So down the rabbit hole you go.*

I'm not the first person to have noticed the parallel with Scientology

Parallel with a general type of group, which I've been deleted for using the correct term for before. So I will avoid, and just say that 'othering', isolating, and 'love bombing' are pretty common in unhealthy group dynamics.

Here's one of the GLP's advisors liking a tweet mourning the death of a founder of PIE.

ScotsGay did WHAT?

Did a google. The LGBTetc community are all putting out statements expressing sadness about Hein's death.

This person was shown to be a founder of the PIE.

It's as if safeguarding, Saville and common sense never existed.

I see they are excusing it by saying they weren’t born when he committed his crimes. Sure. I wasn’t born when the Yorkshire ripper killed so presumably it’s fine for me to tweet a tribute to him.

Bloody hell that was quick collidascope

@CatsCantCatchChristmas2

Bloody hell that was quick collidascope

It really was! I didn't think I'd said anything particularly inflammatory. I wonder if I mentioned the type of group Arabella got deleted for talking about. I used the name they give themselves, and stated that I thought the original aims of said movement were pretty worthy. I think I also said "bullshit" at one point but I've seen worse swearing that's been allowed to stand.

I missed that.

Is there an acceptable paraphrase?

Hmm, not sure what was said, but I was talking about dysfunctional & unhealthy group behaviour - it is surprisingly common within groups. People think these groups are rare but in fact human nature quite often throws up this type of behaviour.

I do find it very odd that anything using this word would be deleted. In fact, being overly sensitive and defensive about using this descriptive term seems to me to be a very strong indication of a truth that's been disturbed.

Healthy group dynamics encourages questions, criticism and open-ness.

Any group that is censorious about disagreement, criticism or questions .... has features of this type of group ... that I can't use the bloody word for. But is a group that one should be wary of.

Can't ultimately let them censor un-offensive, legitimate terms.