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Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent

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RealityNotEssentialism · 23/12/2020 18:02

goodlawproject.org/update/advisory-group-transgender/

I know that there is another thread on JM but thought I would start a new one as this has just been released. First of all he has named the people on his advisory committee. They include Alex Sharpe, whom we know all about and about whom no more needs to be said.
Second, they are trying to force a change of policy from the Tavistock that they give PBs simply on parental consent to children who cannot consent to them. That is chilling and dangerous and puts an awful lot of power in the hands of adults with nobody to protect the child’s interests. JM has lost the plot.

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RoyalCorgi · 26/12/2020 14:49

Wow. For your head of chambers to publicly denounce you as having "lost the plot" is quite something, isn't it? I imagine that any other chambers would be reluctant to take him on.

Teacakequeen · 26/12/2020 15:03

@MichelleofzeResistance

There has been from the start an appearance of confusion on the part of some lobby groups and charities that the Tavistock is in their ownership and acts under their direction. Hence the confusion of not being allowed to intervene in the case, a confusion that this was between the Tavistock and court and not them, and a belief now that as the 'wrong' answer has been provided, then they can simply compel the expert medics to act against policy, practice and their own judgement. Despite the judgement being an objective one, and there being many adults involved in this who undeniably have skin in the game.

Perfect example really of what happens when you allow regulatory capture to happen to this extent, and a long misguided confusion between kindness and professional failure to maintain firm boundaries and impartiality around policy, law, practice and standards.

However things go this is useful; bring it on. Do in full sunlight. I will look forward to seeing the appeal request response.

This is exactly it, exactly what has happened. Excellent explanation
MoleSmokes · 26/12/2020 15:06

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OldCrone · 26/12/2020 15:18

Another tax lawyer but I can’t remember the name.

Clair Quentin?

MoleSmokes · 26/12/2020 15:22

This is a cracker!!! Grin

mobile.twitter.com/context_outside/status/1342741570496376832

Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
MoleSmokes · 26/12/2020 16:28

OldCrone Well remembered!

PlantMam · 26/12/2020 16:53

This Clair Quentin?

www.qmul.ac.uk/busman/staff/phd/profiles/clair-quentin.html

DeRigueurMortis · 26/12/2020 17:10

Interestingly there are quite a few tweets from senior legal professionals in response to JC's interview.

They all find the premise that JC's position that parents always know best is ridiculous and obviously demonstrably untrue.

He (and the GLP) are not coming out of this at all well within the legal community.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/12/2020 17:27

Wow. For your head of chambers to publicly denounce you as having "lost the plot" is quite something, isn't it?

Wow. I hadn't seen that before. I don't understand why Jolyon isn't pausing for thought given that every QC on twitter seems to think he is barking up the wrong tree?

RoyalCorgi · 26/12/2020 18:11

I don't understand why Jolyon isn't pausing for thought given that every QC on twitter seems to think he is barking up the wrong tree?

I have to be careful how I phrase it, given previous deletions, but I think that perhaps Jolyon and rational thought parted company some time ago. (Will I get away with that, I wonder?)

nauticant · 26/12/2020 18:25

Wow. For your head of chambers to publicly denounce you as having "lost the plot" is quite something, isn't it?

It's likely that there was a breakdown in the relationship some time before the current shenanigans, a breakdown that set the scene for JM to leave the chambers.

The tweets by Timothy Brennan show that he's well past the point of feeling he needs to show JM any professional courtesy.

Siablue · 26/12/2020 18:44

That is very interesting that that comes from the head of his chambers. I do think it shows that he must be a difficult person to know. I think a good test of how safe someone is as a person is how they treat animals. Anyone who can treat an innocent animal like that is worrying and somebody you would want to avoid.

It also shows that lawyers do not think there is a case and what the Tavistock are doing is illegal.

bellinisurge · 26/12/2020 18:44

Fancy a laugh? Should we tell Andrea C?😂😂😂😂

Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
MoleSmokes · 26/12/2020 18:47

Plantmam the very same.

As per this YouTube comment:

#Whitemalenihilisminchiffon

Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
Jolyon Maugham, GLP and scary stuff re parental consent
RealityNotEssentialism · 26/12/2020 18:55

@MoleSmokes

Plantmam the very same.

As per this YouTube comment:

#Whitemalenihilisminchiffon

My god that just screams midlife crisis. Of all the people i would choose to screw your highly successful career over for, this person would be at the bottom of my list. Said person is still listed as David on the QMUL website.
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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 26/12/2020 19:07

That person is the same as me. only posh. and dressed as an 80s settee.

PlantMam · 26/12/2020 19:21

Bonkers.

Is it a posh person thing? Or a posh man/male thing?

(Intersectionality for the upper classes? 😂)

JamieLeesCurtains · 26/12/2020 19:48

Maybe it's how some posh middle-aged white male tax lawyers finally get to feel acceptably relevant and special instead of being hated by younger people as parasitical capitalist enablers.

PlantMam · 26/12/2020 19:51

Ah. That makes sense. A kind of ‘functional behaviour’ to ensure that they don’t meet Madame Guillotine once the revolution gets going?

Helmetbymidnight · 26/12/2020 19:59

It is quite glorious to see how the legal professionals are treating Jolyon now - he clearly has pissed off many more than just one or two feminists "funded by the Christian right."

JamieLeesCurtains · 26/12/2020 20:09

@PlantMam

Ah. That makes sense. A kind of ‘functional behaviour’ to ensure that they don’t meet Madame Guillotine once the revolution gets going?
That and a desperate internal need to be admired by younger people. It's a psychological drive often associated with family circs.
AnotherLass · 26/12/2020 20:26

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FannyCann · 26/12/2020 20:37

Can anyone recall any other ideological movement that caused otherwise apparently sane, educated professionals to throw caution and their careers to the wind inviting widespread ridicule from their peers?
Maugham and Harrop.
The Webberleys.

I don't see any way back for them to respect from their peers.

No doubt others I can't recall off the top of my head.

DeRigueurMortis · 26/12/2020 21:04

@FannyCann

Can anyone recall any other ideological movement that caused otherwise apparently sane, educated professionals to throw caution and their careers to the wind inviting widespread ridicule from their peers? Maugham and Harrop. The Webberleys.

I don't see any way back for them to respect from their peers.

No doubt others I can't recall off the top of my head.

All I've got is David Ike Grin

PlantMam · 26/12/2020 21:18
Grin