Eddie Izzard...

[Mrsmorton]

Has announced new pronouns.

Again, apologies if this is being discussed already.

"They're not women's clothes, they're my clothes" seems to have been lost in the mists of time.

Well... life of Brian... but that was comedy.

All I can think when I see a middle aged white guy who rose to success as a man and then, and only then, decided to “transition” (bearing in mind how hard it is for women to be successful in comedy) is you’d better keep out of my single sex spaces mate

I’ve seen female comedians clap him. 🙄

poor shappi khorsandi! wrote an adoring tweet about how wonderful HE is.
big mistake!

I am really sad and angry about this. I used to like EI. EI had an electrifying stage presence, which the eyeliner enhanced beautifully.

But when that extract from the autobiography was shared last year I felt physically sick. Teenage girls are extremely vulnerable. When males look at them and project a sexualised, powerful image onto them, their world becomes even more dangerous. Even judges have been known to decide that the physical development of a teenage girl could be a mitigating factor in her abuse by an adult man.

I used to believe that there was a slow progression in the right direction in our society. I used to believe that the Labour Party (ha!) would steer us towards a kinder, fairer society. What a fool!

I've now gone back through my post to take out male pronouns. Is it right that people such as Eddie Izzard, who in their own writing have shown themselves to hold contempt for the rights and safety of teenage girls, should now have the power to compel my speech? I don't think it is. This isn't about trans people as twitter shows me plenty of trans people are in broad agreement with gender critical women. This is about using a trans rights narrative to enable some males to disregard the boundaries of women and children.

I always thought eddie seemed a bit ‘up eddieself’ and probably someone who would have a cruel sense of humour. Saw Eddie striding along the street near my office in skirt and heels - head held high, stalking like a model with a ‘lookit me’ slight smile on Eddiesface.

I didn’t clock who it was immediately but the clothing, walk and facial expression caught my eye - it’s near wokey uni central so not unusual to see young men dressed this way desperately looking for attention (so shouting loudly at confused tourists ‘DONT LOOK AT ME!’). Quite sad really as there used to be several elderly transvestites/sexuals who were local and often seen shopping, out for a walk etc (just getting on with their life, no one bothering them).

I rarely see them now and was so pleased to see one again near home recently, always wearing a bright Salwar Kameez (?) and long black wig. I worry that these ones are chased/bullied away.

This is about using a trans rights narrative to enable some males to disregard the boundaries of women and children.

Yes, and it goes back to what TinselAngel said about pushing boundaries. The boundary is where Eddie says it is, and as Eddie is gender fluid, the boundary can change.

Ummmm!

Has Eddie actually said anything since the Portrait of the year show? Anything ?

Has this been run with by media and overeager fans? If the latest articles
in the press about the marathons all refer to ‘him’ even a few days before the portrait show, and he has not tweeted or anything in response to this outpouring, I question whether it has been taken out of Eddie’s control.

If Eddie has form for having ‘girl’ days and I assume boy days, might this have been something said in passing and not fully made and deliberate decision.

And people so eager for that to be the truth have in effect pushed a final Wikipedia changing truth onto Eddie. It will be interesting to see the statement confirming this and to see the changes made to the official website.

I deplore Eddie’s use of women’s single sex spaces, it would be very unfair to take a women’s position on a shortlist and I don’t find Eddie’s decision if it has been made to be good all round for women. But, I am not convinced. Considering they have skirted around this for a long time. I would have thought a media savvy person like them would have done it on all fronts at the same time. (Although, this way will keep the fans interested longer)

But at least it has been a media success in promoting Eddie and Eddie’s marathons.

True Wines, choosing Portrait Artist of the Year to ‘come out’ so monumentally seems a bit of an odd choice, and all media outlets I’ve seen have been using the same bizarre phrasing lifted from that (‘Izzard is praised for...’ - why that headline everywhere 🤷‍♀️?). It’s not like he’s gone on the record with a tell-all exclusive (although the memoir will have that covered)

This hasn’t sat well with me at all, but it will be interesting to see where Eddie takes this next. Showing a bit of awareness would be a start. There’s still a small chance this isn’t quite what it’s been made out to be - I hope they’re not a lost cause.

@TinaTurnoff

This is of interest to me because my 14yo daughter is caught up in trans rights. As with all teens, when they adopt a righteous-rights issue, whatever they might be, I want to give her space to work stuff out in her own head without adult-debating her out of it. She doesn’t know who Eddie Izzard is. He’s old and irrelevant to her scope of reference. If I said to her ‘see this bloke? Older than your dad? How’d you feel of he was in the queue for the bathroom?’ I’m afraid she would think I’m trying to brainwash her against trans people, which to her is an absolute, unquestionable entitlement. I don’t want to teach her to be fearful, and I struggle to work out how to say to her that she shouldn’t concede her feminine turf.

I could have written that post, but my dd is 12. I never bring up the issue, but if she does, I will give my point of view.

She sees it as me trying to 'change her mind'. Hopefully she will see both points of view and make an informed decision as she gets older, whereas, I think she has a very one-sided view at the moment.

My my, posts are going puffft around here aren’t they?

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

My my, posts are going puffft around here aren’t they?

Yup. It’s hilarious the lengths being gone to to stop discussions.

See? The condition that everyone can see but must not be named. Emperor's New clothes indeed!

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

My my, posts are going puffft around here aren’t they?

This thread is being heavily monitored, I've got my 1st deletion 😈.

I know someone who is into athletics and their kids are in college athletics in the US. Apparently there has been a culture of ‘eye contact, nod’ for a few years now. They don’t think it’s ‘on’ but feel helpless at the moment. (Remember sports scholarships can mean the difference between a girl getting to college/a decent college and not).

Molls I think I was deleted for just using the word pretence, there was nothing else in my post that came close to breaking the talk guidelines.

I didn't mention the unmentionable.

If I said to her ‘see this bloke? Older than your dad? How’d you feel of he was in the queue for the bathroom?’ I’m afraid she would think I’m trying to brainwash her against trans people, which to her is an absolute, unquestionable entitlement.

The problem with that question is that many women really don't care, and are quite comfortable in the unisex spaces that they use.

I think it's better to talk about the reasons why other women may not want to use a unisex space in a situation where they are vulnerable e.g. because they are in a state of undress or not conscious.

What is girl mode? Is Izzard trans age?

Hopefully she will see both points of view and make an informed decision as she gets older, whereas, I think she has a very one-sided view at the moment.

I think humans tend to protect themselves by living in a state of semi-denial. I honestly didn't think much about childbirth until I was taken to the delivery suite, and I am currently avoiding thinking about menopause and of course old age happens to other people. However, at least I am old enough to realise that I am living in denial. When I was 20 I just thought I knew everything.