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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eddie Izzard...

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Mrsmorton · 20/12/2020 11:19

Has announced new pronouns.

Again, apologies if this is being discussed already.

"They're not women's clothes, they're my clothes" seems to have been lost in the mists of time.

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EdgeOfACoin · 22/12/2020 19:56

Did anyone ever read Clan of the Cave Bear?

It's been a long time since I read it, but I remember that the leader of the Neanderthal clan would cast someone out of the group by simply declaring that the person was dead. Once the declaration was made, the Clan members had to believe that the person standing in front of them was actually dead. The person was instantly viewed and treated as an unearthly spirit, not as a living, breathing human.

The whole deadnaming process and the immediate switch from seeing someone as male to seeing someone as female (or vice versa) often brings that part of the book to my mind.

SophocIestheFox · 22/12/2020 20:03

I loved those books, edge, and yes, it is a similar process- you mustn’t believe what is in front of your eyes, you must believe what your community requires you to believe.

Misslucy, I’ve never been a fan of O’Neil until I heard him being interviewed recently (I think it was on Triggernometry) and he was actually fantastically engaging and interesting, which really surprised me as that wasn’t the impression that I’d had of him at all. (That’s a cracking backhanded compliment if ever I dished one out Grin)

SunsetBeetch · 22/12/2020 20:41

[quote Stealhsquirrelnutkin]Jo Bartosch has written a very good article of why Eddie Izzard in heels is perceived as more progressive than us boring old vulva-owners in our flat shoes.

thecritic.co.uk/male-transgenderism-is-sexism-on-steroids/[/quote]
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Eddie Izzard...
Deliriumoftheendless · 22/12/2020 20:44

If I facepalm much more I’ll break my nose.

SophocIestheFox · 22/12/2020 20:46

Hahahahaha! Classic.

NeurotreeWenceslas · 22/12/2020 20:50

Did anyone ever read Clan of the Cave Bear?

OMG yes! Read it far too young tbh, think I was about 13/14

It happened to the main character didn't it. Quite profound.

Mainly remember the shagging and the rather crap film they made.--

CrossPurposes · 22/12/2020 20:53

That Twitter exchange is this nonsense in a nutshell.

guinnessguzzler · 22/12/2020 21:00

GrinGrinGrinConfused

Winesalot · 22/12/2020 21:03

It is perfect!!

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/12/2020 21:09

Oh lol. Just fucking LOL!

Deliriumoftheendless · 22/12/2020 21:10

See it’s a deep seated desire to defend trans people and NOT any excuse to slag off a woman and get away with it. Obvs.

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/12/2020 21:12

Someone responded to that tweet with a gif of a boxer swinging and accidentally punching himself in the face. I'm fucking dead 😂

MightyMike · 22/12/2020 21:15

I have a partner who has agp tendancies. From what I've observed, when on a high the sexual obsession gets very intense, only to drop off quickly with extreme depression and denial/rejection of the previous sexual identity.

This cycle in my partner played out in a 3-4 year term. 1/2 years ramping up to his obsession. 2/3 years of intense sexual high, meaning the compulsion to dress and act like a "slutty lesbian". 3/4 years being repulsed by his risk taking and sexual disphoria. Rinse repeat.

It's a form of sexual bipolar. Now he is on serotonin (after a very bad bout of depression after going down the sexual TG lesbian route) and is stable he is happy, no AGP, no compulsion, none of the extreme anger. He also had a hobby that he took to extreme, bikes and cars, high speed and addrennoline, many near miss crashes.

EI, in my lived experience, mirrors this sexual bipolar. His obsession with marathon running in conjunction with the sexual pink lipstick lesbian personna. It's getting your kicks at an extreme level no matter how ill advised and harmful (and I would suggest Eddie doing the extreme running is harmful to his health and shouldn't be encouraged).

If Eddie ever reads this, PLEASE, get some proper help with your mental health. I mean it - the high that you are now experiencing will be replaced double by the crashing low that most definitely will follow. I've seen it and don't want anyone to go through that.

If anyone wants to read what it would be like to live with someone like Eddie, please listen to tinselangel and read the Trans Widows thread.

The upside is that EI is single. The downside is that EI is single so has no one to help him with reality.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 22/12/2020 21:20

Some flowers for you Mighty, that must have been very difficult for you Thanks

EdgeOfACoin · 22/12/2020 21:45

@NeurotreeWenceslas

Did anyone ever read Clan of the Cave Bear?

OMG yes! Read it far too young tbh, think I was about 13/14

It happened to the main character didn't it. Quite profound.

Mainly remember the shagging and the rather crap film they made.--

Lol, yes, there was quite a lot of shagging in the books for a 13-year-old to be reading about! I was about 17, I think.

Never saw the film as I heard it was terrible.

MightyMike · 22/12/2020 21:56

HecatesCatsinXmasHats. Thanks, but others have it far worse. My partner really isn't a bad person, but he is mentally unwell. He knows this and makes steps to help himself, that goes a long way.

I truly think EI is equally unwell. But instead of getting well and healthy, he is being given the metaphorical heroin shot.

SophocIestheFox · 23/12/2020 07:05

That’s really interesting mightymike

Also some Flowers to you- can’t have been easy.

Gurufloof · 23/12/2020 07:16

Tricky for the labour party, or any other party, to choose a candidate who is she/was he/ could change tomorrow and risks perhaps annoying *would be voters who are not particularly pro new genders

Oh God, dont tell labour that, they might put a stop to it. Let it roll on in all its glory and show the UK what it means to actually be so woke your brains fall out.

Username642243 · 23/12/2020 07:32

Every time someone agrees to 'treat him like a woman' they're confirming they treat all women as inferior.

highame · 23/12/2020 08:02

Mightymike really makes sense, read something early of tinsels thoughts but haven't gone back in the thread.

Somehow the last few years of Eddie (not El at that time) have been strange and totally fit with what you've been saying. If he hadn't been dropped from the NEC and allowed to develop in the Labour party, he may not have felt the need to push such a change.

I am not truly certain even El knows what she is doing, which I find very sad indeed.

Shedbuilder · 23/12/2020 10:36

MissLucyEylesbarrow, I posted the article on my FB account and got five likes for it but the two people who replied (both Labour Party lesbians) ignored the content and basically said 'It's Brendan O'Neill, who cares what he says, and it's in the Spectator.'

I've responded that there's such a gag on discussing this issue that it takes someone like Brendan O'Neill and a publication like the Spectator to raise it. But until more trusted and less controversial journalists and publications are prepared to say it, they'll be able to ignore it.

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 23/12/2020 10:44

... (both Labour Party lesbians)...

An endangered species if ever there was one.

NecessaryScene1 · 23/12/2020 10:46

An endangered species if ever there was one.

Well, remember the subject of the thread...

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2020 13:18

Mightymike that all makes sense. And thanks for the reminder of what is really happening. EI is undergoing an episode but doing it in the public eye. It's very unhealthy and I doubt it'll end well. I remember thinking the marathons seemed like a manic episode - a really unwise thing to do and unsafe, really.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/12/2020 13:32

The marathon running was quite unhinged. It's a remarkable feat and he achieved something amazing, but, if he was mine I'd have been taking him to a doctor for a mental health assessment.

He does seem to have a track record of obsessive behaviour.

inews.co.uk/culture/eddie-izzard-people-still-shout-abuse-streets-77537

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