Eddie Izzard...

[Mrsmorton]

Has announced new pronouns.

Again, apologies if this is being discussed already.

"They're not women's clothes, they're my clothes" seems to have been lost in the mists of time.

@Catmaiden

I want to join Ovarit as well, does anyone else have a code they can pm me?

Me too (if possible).

Not read the full thread, (but the holes suggest there’s a whole lot of truths were not allowed to state) as a fifty something woman being referred to as a girl gives me the rage. Even as a teenage it annoyed me, it’s the word for a female child, not a woman and is only ever used to infantilise

Ovarit request here too please and thank you 😊

@StillAHarpie

Not read the full thread, (but the holes suggest there’s a whole lot of truths were not allowed to state) as a fifty something woman being referred to as a girl gives me the rage. Even as a teenage it annoyed me, it’s the word for a female child, not a woman and is only ever used to infantilise

It's one thing to use common expressions like 'one of the girls', or 'girls' night out' - they're a bit twee, but they do have male equivalents - 'one of the boys', 'jobs for the boys' etc, and are arguably not intended to infantilise.

But I agree with you that calling individual women 'girls' is patronising and infantilising. Also, society viciously polices women who dare to behave in ways considered too young for them - 'mutton dressed as lamb' and all that. So there is a double social penalty for a middle-aged woman to be called a girl - she is both infantilised and considered ridiculous for not recognising her age.

For both reasons, it is weird for a woman in her late 50s to refer to herself individually as a girl, or bang on about being girlie. That is odd and creepy - and would usually be heavily socially penalised.

I think Eddie will hear a different laughter now. Before it was no holds barred hoots, not it will be more “should I laugh, can I laugh, i Don’t think that’s funny but I really ought to laugh or I will look bad - ha-ha-ahaha?”

Well I think I may need to apologise for causing personal offense as my post from early morning were removed I do apologise if anything I said has caused hurt or annoyance. I was trying to express sympathy as a non-parent for parents of young people trying to bring up children insuch a terrifying world. My reference to my psychological wariness and fear that would have affected any putative children of my own might have been taken as criticism of actual parenting by people who are strangers to me. That was not my intention. I am sorry for my clumsiness.

You may wonder why a non-parent is here or wants to contribute. My reasons are that last year I heard about the GRC? Bill and wanted to petition against it so found this message board on this forum. I have lurked for a long time and find the discussions enlightening and entertaining. So much of what is said expresses my thoughts since I was a teenager. I have never understood transexualism as it used to be called (is that an allowable expression) but have always considered myself a feminist (read The Female Eunuch at 16) and wanted to understand what this 'femaleness' is apart from biology. Likewise for 'masculinity'. I am still wondering and obviously in reecent years the field of discussion has got denser and murkier. It actually seems to me to be associated with a kind of naive and rigid kind of thinking or perception rather than any free-thinking outside of a box.

I still say we should all be afraid , be very afraid but that may just be my psychological damage speaking.

Can I ask for an Ovarit code too please.

Thanks. I won't bother commenting as I couldn't possibly say anything nice.

As far as I can see on SM, he is still saying that he is gender fluid, not trans.

As someone said upthread, how is this not transphobic? I don't believe people are truly 'born in the wrong body' but I do believe that some trans people genuinely feel that they are, and suffer great distress as a result. How is it OK for EI and Pippa Bunce to be playing at being trans for the LOLs and attention? Isn't it taking the piss out of people who genuinely believe they are trans, even more than women?

What happened to male lesbian?

Plenty of non parents here, cateycloggs, no need to justify it at all happy delurking!

I think the problem goes beyond infantilising. There is nothing wrong with wearing high heels or having long finger nails or wearing short skirts, but they are restrictive and impractical for the lives most people lead. If wearing shoes that make it unsafe to walk downstairs isn't a fashion choice but 'girl mode', what does that say to girls?

Also there isn't a male equivalent to the mainstream sexualisation of young girls. e.g. 'sexy school boy' or counting down the days till a famous male becomes 'legal'.

Wrong thread, sorry.

Thank you, Sophoclesthe fox, I do worry that I don't quite get the 'tone; on here. It is the only social media forum I have evere tried to take part in and I do find it surprisingly nerve-wracking.

@cateycloggs

Thank you, Sophoclesthe fox, I do worry that I don't quite get the 'tone; on here. It is the only social media forum I have evere tried to take part in and I do find it surprisingly nerve-wracking.

Please stick around now. Non-parents are always welcome of course. And as long as your purpose is not to shame women for fighting against the constantly denied conflict with those other right, I doubt you will have a problem.

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

I know someone who is into athletics and their kids are in college athletics in the US. Apparently there has been a culture of ‘eye contact, nod’ for a few years now. They don’t think it’s ‘on’ but feel helpless at the moment.

Would you mind if I ask you about your comment above?

I have some family connections in Oregon. They have daughters in high school at the moment who may have a chance at either soccer or athletics scholarships.

Would you mind explaining a bit more about the culture that you mentioned?

If you don't want to do it publicly, would you mind sending me a DM?

Thanks

They know it happens, and I’ve heard them say ‘oh I see... (nod)... another at the meet last night...’ So it’s like an open secret that no one wants to say it out loud.

My niece got a sports scholarship - this was about 12 years ago now so this wasn’t happening then. I think some states are beginning to realise now though.

@merrymouse

I think the problem goes beyond infantilising. There is nothing wrong with wearing high heels or having long finger nails or wearing short skirts, but they are restrictive and impractical for the lives most people lead. If wearing shoes that make it unsafe to walk downstairs isn't a fashion choice but 'girl mode', what does that say to girls?

Also there isn't a male equivalent to the mainstream sexualisation of young girls. e.g. 'sexy school boy' or counting down the days till a famous male becomes 'legal'.

I don't disagree, but I was specifically talking about middle-aged and older women referring to themselves as girls, as opposed to all the other shit that society projects onto actual girls. The point being that it is very odd for a middle-aged woman to bang on about being a girl as an individual, even if women that age do occasionally refer to themselves collectively as girls, as in 'one of the girls'.

The other point is that society would normally shame a woman for doing what EI is doing.

Remember the reaction when Eddie Izzard wore an EU beret and shouted a lot?

He got a shed load of abuse for being a bellend.

And it wasn't from the leave supporting side.

Eddie Izzard has zero self awareness at all and has a habit of pissing off people who would otherwise be ardent supporters of the same cause.

Says they have “boy mode” and “girl mode.” Note not man mode or woman mode.
Eddie is clearly an adult and well past the age of girldom. Being a “girl” is clearly just something you can opt in and out of! This is where I’ve been going wrong! Eddie can do one they are about as much of a slip of a girl as I am.

They missed the girl boat by about 45 years.

And they wouldn’t have been welcome on it anyway.