Eddie Izzard...

[Mrsmorton]

Has announced new pronouns.

Again, apologies if this is being discussed already.

"They're not women's clothes, they're my clothes" seems to have been lost in the mists of time.

Yes CrossPurposes that's what I thought. He wanted to get changed so went into the ladies' toilets?? Why? (rhetorical question to avoid getting deleted again).

And his lack of empathy for the girls in there is stunning (but not brave) - I can vividly imagine being a young teen and a strange man coming in, and us being embarrassed and scared and not really knowing what to do.

I never wear ‘girly’ clothes nor would I want to wear the type of clothes Eddie Izzard wears. I spend my life in jeans, never paint my nails etc, no man transitioning to be a ‘woman’ would ever chose to wear what I wear as it’s not ‘girly’ enough. Does that make me not a woman? Eddie Izzard can wear what he likes, he can be as stereotypical feminine as he likes but does that make him a woman? Can he have had the same experience of being a woman as I have? Is he more of a woman than me because he wears high heels and slaps a bit of make up on? He likes dressing up and that’s fine, but all this ‘isn’t he brave for asking to be called she’ is just nuts. He’s not a she and just because he decides on that particular day he is, it doesn’t make it so.

No, it makes them .....

I should have said the F/A word.

But fear a deletion for even the letter A....

Frumpy. Excellent description.

Oh My! Reading EI's 'loo incident' sounds almost exactly like a YouTube vid I saw last year that I cannot find again. It was a twenty something male in North London doing exactly this, but then chased the girls up the street yelling at them.

I wonder if they were 'inspired' by EI's account? It sounds exactly the same. First foray. This was getting changed INTO their women's clothing. Three teens who questioned why they were there. ....

yes, we all get dressed in public loos when in girl-mode ....

He wanted to get changed so went into the ladies' toilets?? Why?

Because he knew he might come up against a male aggressor, but somehow was unable to understand that these girls went into flight or fight mode when they came across a potential male aggressor in their space. As Glinner said, girls and women don't know if a male in their space is a nice guy or not until they are assaulted.

He wanted to get changed so went into the ladies' toilets?? Why?

Because he wanted to, and didn't care (maybe didn't even think) whether there would be women and girls who'd mind.

I think seeing how girls and women would react was part of the motivation. He felt he could be threatened in male toilets so went into the toilets where the balance of power shifted to him regardless of clothing.
Part of me thinks this is all bullshit tbh. Everyone can see who and what Eddie is. Regardless of attempts to police language, my understanding of the recent appeal court judgement is that the courts don't support and can't enforce compulsory pronoun usage. So, Eddie wants to use she/her pronouns. The use handmaidens and TRAs and MRAs will bend over backwards to be accommodating and everyone else will see what they see.

Bloody hell!

Eleven mins too late to read winesalot!

(The next bit would've got a deletion so I cannot say..)

Could you paraphrase?

Part of me thinks this is all bullshit tbh.

Only part?

mmmm... I tried very hard to word it very neutrally without generalisations. I did point out how many of us felt relegated to a 'supporting' role that we never agreed to or ever wanted.

Maybe that was the issue... Does this mean that we have to accept this role because it is another thing we cannot discuss?

I didn't see that deletion coming at all.

@testing987654321

Part of me thinks this is all bullshit tbh.

Only part?

I mean the hoo-ha is all bullshit. It's giving Eddie and the TRAs and the MRAs exactly what they want. Ultimately the majority of the general public won't have seen Eddie's announcement. So Eddie will go through life being seen for what he is. Compulsory speech is dangerous. Puberty blockers are dangerous. Men taking sports scholarships and places on AWS - dangerous and bloody enraging. Eddie thinking an old man can say they're in girl mode and it means anything in material reality - laughable.

You know what, there was a time when I couldn't care less about this topic, but the more I see how we can't talk about it, the more interested I am.

@CatsCantCatchCriminals2

It is totally Orwellian.

CatsWhiskers deleted comment seemed like pretty standard MN humour. Blowed if I can see what guideline it broke.

I wonder if Eddie gets paid less when in 'girl mode'?

I love it on Ovarit, where you can say things exactly as you see them, and threads don't end up looking like swiss cheese because the mods there don't care much for some people who think it's their right to stop women talking amongst themselves. Refreshing.

Having said that, the deletions here come in quite handy if you get to see the post before it goes. Lets you know what they're most scared of people seeing...

The thing that upsets me is that Izzard was proudly a straight man who didn't buy into gender norms, he was apparently happily being a man wearing whatever he wanted. Now he seems to have subscribed to the idea that your clothes make your gender. It feels regressive and quite offensive - why do we have to put up with stuff like this as women, if you suddenly identified as black it would rightly be seen differently.

I think hes been spending a lot of time with the ultra woke in the Labour Party. I expect we'll see him on an all women short-list some time soon.