Eddie Izzard...

[Mrsmorton]

Has announced new pronouns.

Again, apologies if this is being discussed already.

"They're not women's clothes, they're my clothes" seems to have been lost in the mists of time.

Eddie can just do one. Not even claiming to be a woman but insisting on being she because of wearing dresses? It's offensive. Predictably people are acting as if it's so brave. Get lost. Eddie is rich and privileged. Being called she is honestly not a way to be brave. Attention seeking nonsense.

I saw Eddie Izzard on the semifinal of Portrait Artist of the Year. Only the CIS female contestant referred to Eddie Izzard as “she”, everyone else referred to Eddie Izzard as Eddie Izzard.

Was more impressed when Eddie said the clothes were just clothes. Seem to be going backwards with this gender stereotyping due to what clothes people want to wear.

I understand standing on an all women shortlist to be an MP is a possible incentive.

I bet this has something to do with some sort of office Izzard is trying to obtain in the Labour Party.

Snap, Campervan

I suspected it might be something to do with that. The gushing on twitter about braveness is grotesque.

Some keeno has updated Eddie's wikipedia page although Eddie's website still uses male pronouns

@HagenDaz

I saw Eddie Izzard on the semifinal of Portrait Artist of the Year. Only the CIS female contestant referred to Eddie Izzard as “she”, everyone else referred to Eddie Izzard as Eddie Izzard.

I watched that too and they all (eventually) said she or her. Curtis actually spoke to Eddie about it. Apparently Eddie is gender fluid but wants to live in the feminine from now on.

I'm treading a careful line with DH about why these things make me uncomfortable so just froze when it happened. Apparently I also growled so ended up in a discussion about why I find Eddie's turnabout so bloody disappointing. I'm not sure DH completely followed me, but I do think I'm making progress.

I'm struggling with this.

'She' means female. Eddie is... well...

The rewriting of history on this is Orwellian. Eddie has not 'always been' a 'she' - in fact, explicitly otherwise. Whether it's a cynical endeavour to do with politics or feeling it's truly the right move... don't really care. Live as you want - but if you're a big strong bloke in the women's loos, you are scary, and your presence there even if you're One Of The Good 'Uns makes it easier for predators to venture in there.

This from Glinner

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/eddie-izzard-is-not-a-woman?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMTI4Nzk2NCwicG9zdF9pZCI6MjY3MTE5NjksIl8iOiJKbmFscyIsImlhdCI6MTYwODQ2NjU0MSwiZXhwIjoxNjA4NDcwMTQxLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNjczMDkiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.tGQv-BTkB7HlPyhdfMDfAZjboS_H5aAFx0Z9R8kutXE

Also struggling. Have always been a huge admirer of Eddie, the stand up, the marathons and fundraising, the European... ‘make humanity great again’ this is not. It’s really upsetting he could do something so crass and offensive as that has never been his style.

The Twittersphere policing everyone on this is unbearable. It’s the emperor’s new clothes gone absolutely mad.

It’s exactly the same as Elliot Page the other week, ‘oh, I met [new pronoun] in 2005’. For God’s sake, it’s all just playing pretend. And not to go along with it is literal violence, of course.

I think this will just help speed up peoples' WTF moments

Is he going to run his stupid treadmill marathons with or without his pretend breasts???

Interesting people bring up ‘1984’; ‘newspeak’ was an attempt to reduce language, literally to destroy words; “the destruction of language is beautiful” etc. This is the expansion of language, the invention of new ways of talking about things that were always there but which there were no words for. Now there are more words there are more ways to express things. It feels freeing to me; it’s doing what language should do.

Anyway it’s overwhelmingly going down very well in the wider world. It’s always good to pop by Mumsnet though, to read what the naysayers think about it.

It was either here or the comments under the article over at the Daily Express.

I gave up on Eddie after telling the story about awful, bullying, nasty teenage girls who queried why he was in the ladies toilets.

Or in other words young girls who had every right to feel threatened/uncomfortable when a much older person of the opposite sex was changing in sex specific facilities in which they should have felt absolutely safe

The lack of empathy was chilling.

Anyway it’s overwhelmingly going down very well in the wider world. It’s always good to pop by Mumsnet though, to read what the naysayers think about it.

Wider world? You mean Twitter

"The sheep are all bleeting in the approved manner due to the threat of cancellation should they are to deviate from the authorised opinion"

Dare

The wider world?
No

I am getting a bit weary of the Emperor’s new pronouns.

@Lisz

Interesting people bring up ‘1984’; ‘newspeak’ was an attempt to reduce language, literally to destroy words; “the destruction of language is beautiful” etc. This is the expansion of language, the invention of new ways of talking about things that were always there but which there were no words for. Now there are more words there are more ways to express things. It feels freeing to me; it’s doing what language should do.

Anyway it’s overwhelmingly going down very well in the wider world. It’s always good to pop by Mumsnet though, to read what the naysayers think about it.

It was either here or the comments under the article over at the Daily Express.

I'd be happy if Izzard was inventing new words. Instead there's a clear attempt to redefine the word 'woman'. That's not benefiting women one tiny bit. We're gradually losing the words that describe us as a class.

Twitter is not "the wider world"

It's a self- selecting echo chamber

This is the expansion of language, the invention of new ways of talking about things that were always there but which there were no words for.

You what?

The word in question is 'she'. Yes shes have definitely always been there, and yes there have been words for them. Really. Even when they were just washing your socks and making your sandwiches, they were a thing, with words for them. You definitely came out of one.