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"Anyone that has this much power - there's money behind it."

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gardenbird48 · 18/12/2020 10:18

I mentioned it on the other thread but I think actually, having watched now, it answers so many questions and joins the dots. I have found this video a little mind-blowing in the clarity Jennifer provides in her description of the issues.

It describes the reach of the global corporations that are driving the transgender movement and why. This is being presented to us as a human rights movement but why would Goldman Sachs (and many huge corporations) be funding a 'human rights' movement?
This is not a grass roots movement - this is driven by large corporations. Human rights movements fight against the corporate/governing structures because they are the ones that do the damage.

She mentions that it feels like we are in an altered reality, which totally chimes with how I've been feeling - it's like we are in the Upside Down - changing basic human concepts, changing language and the meanings of words. Once we see what is happening we can't unsee it and it is permeating everything. I think this is partly why it is so difficult to explain to people because it involves challenging so many accepted norms in expectations of other people's and organisations behaviour and ethics.

Background: when the AIDS epidemic hit in the 80's, once the government got on board with actually helping AIDS victims, an NGO industry grew up around it which gave birth to certain medical/social organisations including the Arcus foundation.

These organisations have formed a large scale network and as Stonewall has found, once the LGB experience improved greatly with proper recognition of rights and equality, the need for activism around that group dropped off. The NGOs had effectively worked themselves out of a job and they needed to find 'another market' with potential.

It was a revelation to me to see that there is such a thing as the 'Sex Reassignment Surgery Market' which is treated by investors and analysts in the same way as any other commodity/service market like Beauty for example. Viewing it in this way answers so many questions for me and raises so many concerns. The size of this market has grown enormously in the last few years and is predicted to grow by at least 25% in the next few years www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/sex-reassignment-surgery-market with growth rates of over 25% predicted).

Social networks seem to be particularly effective in promoting the ideology to young people and obviously if schools and other trusted adults can be coerced persuaded to back up the online marketing which uses the oldest marketing trick in the book, playing on people's insecurities - you have quite a powerful recruitment tool.

The positive point she leaves us with is that we can all make a difference by organising, every tiny thing we do will help - get the message out there. Do something, do anything - twitter, fb, here etc. No self-respecting person will allow this to happen on their watch - this is damaging the children. So much of this is being done in the name of Diversity and Inclusion but it is the opposite of that - men taking women's places at work is reducing diversity and inclusion.

If you can spare a bit of time, even a few minutes at a time, this is hugely helpful.

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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 18/12/2020 17:39

Always follow the money - always.

AnyOldPrion · 18/12/2020 17:47

The size of this market has grown enormously in the last few years and is predicted to grow by at least 25% in the next few years

No wonder the backlash against women who are pointing out is so intense.

BlackForestCake · 18/12/2020 17:49

The other day there was a case of a radical black university lecturer in the US being sacked for criticising the university's corporate donors.

Things haven't changed, power works the same way it always has.

If you see a “liberation movement” being promoted by all political parties, banks, corporations and the police, it's fake.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/12/2020 17:53

If you see a “liberation movement” being promoted by all political parties, banks, corporations and the police, it's fake.

YY.

gardenbird48 · 18/12/2020 22:09

it is a shocker!! when Jennifer describes how these multi-billion dollar companies have charitable foundations that endow many community projects (to ease their existence with the authorities) - on a huge scale. We see it here in the UK, Stonewall 's published accounts show that they have funding from the Arcus Foundation which is endowed by companies run by Jon Stryker - a gay billionaire. uncommongroundmedia.com/stryker-arcus-billionaires-lgbt/

I'm sure that these foundations/endowments etc don't start off with such a totalitarian agenda (I'm trying to be nice) but we have all seen how super easy it is to brainwash people into thinking they are doing the right thing by unquestioningly supporting the ideology (I don't feel as generous towards billionaire Martine Rothblatt - I think Martine does have a huge, terribly damaging agenda)

When those multi-million dollar funded foundations then threaten to withdraw funding from any charity, community group, sports club, even schools it has a huge impact. She describes how they 'defunded' a whole US state (North Carolina) - such is the scale of the reach of these companies.

On the back of this, companies withdrew investment, sports organisations boycotted the state and the financial impact on everyone was huge. With that unbelievable level of pressure, who are the state officials going to prioritise? Do women and girls end up as collateral damage to the demands of the billionaire trans lobby??

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 18/12/2020 22:28

Yep - ALWAYS ask Tony Benn’s 5 questions

What Power Have You Got?
Where Did You Get It From?
In Whose Interests Do You Exercise It?
To Whom Are You Accountable?
How Can We Get Rid Of You?

happydappy2 · 19/12/2020 10:52

It's a bit of a long watch-but makes perfect sense-now that LGB rights (in some parts of the world) are established, lobby groups need new things to work on-they've picked up the T baton and run with it without really thinking of the harm this ideology does to children-especially girls, as the effects of testosterone on a girls body are irreversible.
The whole movement is funded by wealthy, privileged, white men.

Martine/Martin Rathblatt, Jennifer/James Pritzker both male born have transitioned to live as women, huge links to pharmaceutical companies.
Mark Bonham-billionaire in Canada who has started a sexuality diversity organisation claiming biological sex isn't real
Tim Gill, a gay man who is immensely rich
Drummond Pike who operates the Tides Foundation
John Stryker heads up Arcus Foundation

There is money to be made in turning healthy bodies into lifelong medical patients & its terrifying that this is happening to children, & we are unable to stop it.

President Obama threatened to pull government funding from schools if they didn't get on board with gender neutral bathrooms-how can he not see the harm in this? Or can he, but even he couldn't stand up to the pharmaceutical companies?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 19/12/2020 11:00

Doesn’t Soros give money too?

andyoldlabour · 19/12/2020 11:03

2016 article here, linking George Soros to the "movement". I would also think that "Big Pharma" would be interested in funding it.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/george-soros-the-money-behind-the-transgender-move/

www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 19/12/2020 11:19

There’s an article that pops up on twitter once on a while that outlines the big players - and these are richer than God.

Gncq · 19/12/2020 12:13

Yes I've always suspected that deep down underneath it all, trans ideology benefits big pharma to an extent we can't comprehend.

Get impressionable young adolescents to become medical patients for life. Jackpot. The Tavistock have been suckered right into it*, the one place in the UK you'd think would put young vulnerable people first.

*It being USA based pharmaceutical and sexist ideological lobbying.

andyoldlabour · 19/12/2020 12:27

From the above article.

"As the example of the Arcus Foundation shows, the LGB civil rights movement of yore has morphed into a relentless behemoth, one that has strong ties to the medical industrial complex and global corporatists. The pharmaceutical lobby is the largest lobbying entity in Congress. Although activists present the LGBT movement as a weak, powerless group suffering oppression and discrimination, in truth it wields enormous power and influence—power it increasingly uses to remake our laws, schools, and society."

gardenbird48 · 19/12/2020 13:23

"As the example of the Arcus Foundation shows, the LGB civil rights movement of yore has morphed into a relentless behemoth

And I guess that it was found to be difficult to medicalise being L, G or B so it was a genius marketing ploy to adopt the T and bingo - exponential growth in the market.

I wonder, in 2015, what information Ruth Hunt, CEO of Stonewall based her decision to focus on the T.

Was there any actual evidence that trans people were having a hard time that was worse than gay people have always sufffered?

I can’t believe that it was purely a financial decision driven by the big pharma lobby because that would be terrible but I would like to know how she came to her decision. Was there coercion, did she just feel like the lgb are so sorted that Stonewall had to find a new cause or disappear?

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CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 19/12/2020 13:41

If you see a “liberation movement” being promoted by all political parties, banks, corporations and the police, it's fake.

I want that on a tee-shirt. Or at least a key fob.

Jux · 19/12/2020 14:04

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

Yep - ALWAYS ask Tony Benn’s 5 questions

What Power Have You Got?
Where Did You Get It From?
In Whose Interests Do You Exercise It?
To Whom Are You Accountable?
How Can We Get Rid Of You?

This. Good man, that Benn bloke.
jj1968 · 19/12/2020 17:00

@Gncq

Yes I've always suspected that deep down underneath it all, trans ideology benefits big pharma to an extent we can't comprehend.

Get impressionable young adolescents to become medical patients for life. Jackpot. The Tavistock have been suckered right into it*, the one place in the UK you'd think would put young vulnerable people first.

*It being USA based pharmaceutical and sexist ideological lobbying.

What utter nonsense. Big pharma couldn't care less. There are no specific 'trans' drugs. The most commonly used substances, such as estrogen, progesterone and testosterone, are naturally produced and as such cannot be patented and are very cheap. The HRT and contraception markets are far bigger than the fraction of a percentage of trans people who might use hormones. This thread makes the GC movement sound like a bunch of conspiracy cranks.
jj1968 · 19/12/2020 17:01

[quote andyoldlabour]2016 article here, linking George Soros to the "movement". I would also think that "Big Pharma" would be interested in funding it.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/11/george-soros-the-money-behind-the-transgender-move/

www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement[/quote]
Anti-semitism on full display here. Seems to be a recurring theme.

gardenbird48 · 19/12/2020 17:18

What utter nonsense. Big pharma couldn't care less. There are no specific 'trans' drugs. The most commonly used substances, such as estrogen, progesterone and testosterone, are naturally produced and as such cannot be patented and are very cheap. The HRT and contraception markets are far bigger than the fraction of a percentage of trans people who might use hormones. This thread makes the GC movement sound like a bunch of conspiracy cranks.

An American transman estimated that the cost of their treatment was approx. $900,000 (I'm not sure if that was in total for for a specific period of time).

There are thousands of kids on crowfunding sites asking for £000,s to fund their hormone treatment etc - one in particular seemed to be asking for £13,000 to fund a 5 year period of hormones etc. so are you saying these people are being ripped off and they can actually get the cross sex hormones and puberty blockers very cheaply??

I happen to know of a quote for a double mastectomy that is in excess of £7,000 to include hospital costs, anaesthetic etc.

You'd better get the word out there jj - either all these crowdfunders are being scammed or they are scammers.

btw, did you see this article? They report that the 'Sex Reassignment Industry' is currently worth $319 million and is set to grow by at least 25% in the next few years - not insignificant numbers surely jj?
We are not so much conspiracy cranks, we are actually realising that big pharma has found the golden goose.

www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/sex-reassignment-surgery-market

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jj1968 · 19/12/2020 17:32

btw, did you see this article? They report that the 'Sex Reassignment Industry' is currently worth $319 million and is set to grow by at least 25% in the next few years - not insignificant numbers surely jj?

The global aspirin market is around $900bn a year. The HRT market is around $20bn. The (conveniently mostly Jewish) plotters mentioned on this thread have personal fortunes that dwarf the annual sex reassignment market. It's patently ridiculous to claim the global movement for trans rights is some kind of big pharma money making plot orchestrated by billionaires who probably wouldn't get out of bed for the money it's likely to make them.

OldCrone · 19/12/2020 17:42

The global aspirin market is around $900bn a year. The HRT market is around $20bn.

Can you post some links for those figures? The aspirin one seems to be a closely guarded secret, and the figures I can find for HRT are all over the place.

gardenbird48 · 19/12/2020 17:55

but surely the use of Cross Sex Hormones will help grow the HRT market as they are the same hormones but used in a different way (and as I understand in far greater quantities) - I'm sure you will know that most companies are always looking to develop new and expand existing markets, that's how they operate.

If you were the leader of a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company wouldn't you be pleased at the development of a rapidly growing new sector that has much enthusiastic support from governments etc and recruitment of new customers is done through social networks by cheerleaders and high profile supporters.

Where a significant chunk of the customers will consume your product at a rate 4x the norm and instead of just being a short term menopause solution, they are in it for a lifetime of taking your product. That's a business opportunity in the making surely?

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jj1968 · 19/12/2020 18:07

@OldCrone

The global aspirin market is around $900bn a year. The HRT market is around $20bn.

Can you post some links for those figures? The aspirin one seems to be a closely guarded secret, and the figures I can find for HRT are all over the place.

Different agencies tend to put out different estimates. But that's not really the point is it? The point is that to claim big pharma and billionaires have orchestrated an elaborate global plot to 'trans' people to make money is clearly ridiculous given that the sums involved are small change to these people. Which begs the questions why do people persist with this line? To which the answer can only be they really suspect a deeper more insiduous conspiracy because they are conspiracy theorists who believe in secretive (usually Jewish) people orchestrating malevolent plots to control the world.
jj1968 · 19/12/2020 18:15

If you were the leader of a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company wouldn't you be pleased at the development of a rapidly growing new sector that has much enthusiastic support from governments etc and recruitment of new customers is done through social networks by cheerleaders and high profile supporters.

The top drug companies have revenue of around $50 billion a year. So no, I very much doubt a market worth £319 million across all sectors including surgery is of that much interest not least because the drugs are cheap and can't be patented. At least not that interested that they would orchestrate some elaborate global plot spending considerably more than that according to Bilek to push 'LGBT ideology' to sell a tiny proportion of the population dirt cheap drugs.

happydappy2 · 19/12/2020 18:39

Transitioning healthy children and turning them into lifelong medical patients, is a money making scam of monstrous proportions. Its not just the hormones-its the implants, surgeries, phalloplasties etc and the reversals if/when people change their minds! The only people who benefit are the wealthy white men pulling all the strings.

persistentwoman · 19/12/2020 18:40

It's worth remembering that the relentless targeting of children in the UK that (until recent developments) sets them onto a lifetime of surgery and medication that will result in a significant increase in the demand. Replicated worldwide, the numbers of adults being in hock to pharmaceutical companies will be significant. Just as the tobacco companies had to be restrained from targeting children, so do pharmaceutical companies looking to make a quick buck. Fortunately, parents, especially mothers, are well tuned in standing up to them.

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