"Anyone that has this much power - there's money behind it."

[gardenbird48]

I mentioned it on the other thread but I think actually, having watched now, it answers so many questions and joins the dots. I have found this video a little mind-blowing in the clarity Jennifer provides in her description of the issues.

It describes the reach of the global corporations that are driving the transgender movement and why. This is being presented to us as a human rights movement but why would Goldman Sachs (and many huge corporations) be funding a 'human rights' movement?
This is not a grass roots movement - this is driven by large corporations. Human rights movements fight against the corporate/governing structures because they are the ones that do the damage.

She mentions that it feels like we are in an altered reality, which totally chimes with how I've been feeling - it's like we are in the Upside Down - changing basic human concepts, changing language and the meanings of words. Once we see what is happening we can't unsee it and it is permeating everything. I think this is partly why it is so difficult to explain to people because it involves challenging so many accepted norms in expectations of other people's and organisations behaviour and ethics.

Background: when the AIDS epidemic hit in the 80's, once the government got on board with actually helping AIDS victims, an NGO industry grew up around it which gave birth to certain medical/social organisations including the Arcus foundation.

These organisations have formed a large scale network and as Stonewall has found, once the LGB experience improved greatly with proper recognition of rights and equality, the need for activism around that group dropped off. The NGOs had effectively worked themselves out of a job and they needed to find 'another market' with potential.

It was a revelation to me to see that there is such a thing as the 'Sex Reassignment Surgery Market' which is treated by investors and analysts in the same way as any other commodity/service market like Beauty for example. Viewing it in this way answers so many questions for me and raises so many concerns. The size of this market has grown enormously in the last few years and is predicted to grow by at least 25% in the next few years www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/sex-reassignment-surgery-market with growth rates of over 25% predicted).

Social networks seem to be particularly effective in promoting the ideology to young people and obviously if schools and other trusted adults can be coerced persuaded to back up the online marketing which uses the oldest marketing trick in the book, playing on people's insecurities - you have quite a powerful recruitment tool.

The positive point she leaves us with is that we can all make a difference by organising, every tiny thing we do will help - get the message out there. Do something, do anything - twitter, fb, here etc. No self-respecting person will allow this to happen on their watch - this is damaging the children. So much of this is being done in the name of Diversity and Inclusion but it is the opposite of that - men taking women's places at work is reducing diversity and inclusion.

If you can spare a bit of time, even a few minutes at a time, this is hugely helpful.

@OldCrone

The fact their opinion doesn't align with yours doesn't mean there is anything shady going on.

It will make them a lot of money though, won't it? Which was my point. Follow the money.

They represent researchers, doctors and other clinicians - the Endocrine Society aren't a drug company. So no, they won't be getting rich off this. Do you assume every position taken by a medical body is some kind of dishonest money making plot, or is it only when it comes to opinions you don't like about trans healthcare?

Something about the phrase 'rich Jews' is just a bit off, isn't it? From someone accusing others of anti-semitic conspiracy theories?

the market is no longer growing exponentially, and it is capped at the number of people who will want to seek trans healthcare.

Yes, given your track record, both on this thread and more generally, I'm going to have to ask for sources for "the market is no longer growing exponentially." Global figures. My understanding is that exponential growth in the US (a much bigger market) is still occuring and that no one is tracking the figures for private clinics in the UK.

And as you can see on the front page of this forum, activists are openly arguing now that all children should be given puberty blockers so I guess the cap you're talking about is 100%. It would be wonderful to think that they are just a lunatic fringe that will never be taken seriously. But "male sex offenders in women's prisons" and "biological male wins women's weightlifting competition" would have been dismissed as too crazy to ever happen, a few years ago, and now here we are. The TRA tactic is always to dismiss these things as too crazy to ever happen, until they do happen (and often even after that.)

They represent researchers, doctors and other clinicians - the Endocrine Society aren't a drug company. So no, they won't be getting rich off this.

Someone is conveniently confused about how healthcare works in the US.

And as you can see on the front page of this forum, activists are openly arguing now that all children should be given puberty blockers so I guess the cap you're talking about is 100%.

That thread seems to link to a video of someone claiming someone has said this. They were probably taking the piss. Do you have an example of a prominent trans activist or organisation openly calling for all children to be given puberty blockers?

The someone in question is Zinnia Jones, a fairly prominent TRA despite their personality and intellect. If you do a search for "nonconsensual puberty" you will find Jones is far from alone in making the argument that children can't consent to puberty (and therefore the only ethical thing to do is prevent it.)

And more importantly why would Soros, or Pritzker or Rothblatt care?

I'm not sure how Soros got into this discussion (and don't know much about him) but certainly Rothblatt and Pritzker are heavily personally invested in the ideology and as we have seen so many times, some people reach a level of huge personal wealth and then want to try and make their mark on the world - they are big thinkers with a vision and want to do huge things.

Rothblatt's writing's include a book called Transgender to Transhumanism and Rothblatt's company is biotech - things around transplantation and growing new human organs etc. On another thread the ongoing investigation into transplanting a uterus into a male body is being investigated so I can't see why you think Rothblatt would have no interest in the topic at all - it sounds right up Rothblatt's street.

In general, a rapidly growing market as this is, will be of huge interest to many corporate bods and as we've said before, the treatment is not cheap as you are making out - otherwise, why are there so many crowdfunders begging for thousands of pounds to fund a few years worth of hormones and surgery? Are they all being ripped off?

I'll mention again as maybe jj missed it, with the HRT market you have a customer base who will only need your product for a few years as they go through the menopause. Many women will choose not to take it (I'm not overly keen on the idea). Here we have growing numbers of young people with potentially 70 years worth of consumption (if they live that long) of your product and they'll sell the idea to all their mates for you, it is not limited to women only and the men need 4x the dose.

That says major growth to me.

Well at least I mainly agree with jj for once. Not sure it’s big pharma is responsible for pushing the trans kids ideology in the UK.

I personally think the queer theory gang are using kids as pawns in their game. Not for the first time, remember PIE, trans kids are useful.

lt’s funny how Positrans who wanted to engage in debate has gone and jj has reappeared - almost like they are a tag team or ...

I personally think the queer theory gang are using kids as pawns in their game. Not for the first time, remember PIE, trans kids are useful.

Oh yeah, the "nonconsensual puberty" argument for example has other extremely obvious beneficiaries besides pharma companies. But it's possible for there to be multiple vested interests.

@allmywhat

They represent researchers, doctors and other clinicians - the Endocrine Society aren't a drug company. So no, they won't be getting rich off this.

Someone is conveniently confused about how healthcare works in the US.

Well if we're no longer talking about big pharma or billionaires but private healthcare practitioners then that would apply both ways wouldn't it.

So do you think those pushing for a psycho-therapeutic treatment pathway for young trans people, like Marcus Evans and Lisa Marchiano, are part of a money making plot to force all trans kids into Fruedian and Jungian therapies? After all psychotherapy costs more than hormones and can also be a lifetime process.

I don't think that. I just think they are wrong, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that everyone I disagree on the subject must be involved in amoral profiteering.

So do you think those pushing for a psycho-therapeutic treatment pathway for young trans people, like Marcus Evans and Lisa Marchiano, are part of a money making plot

No. Because all the statistics show that gender dysphoria is resolved by puberty anyway so it would be a pretty rubbish money making plot and extremely hard to scale.

Funnily enough I care about young ‘trans’ people as I care about other young people. We can debate all day about PBs and medical pathways but where are the people advocating for MH support and teaching resilience.

The TRAs like to be grouped in with LGB but seem to forget how much work the LGB community did in the eighties and nineties supporting LGB youth. They uplifted young people and encouraged them to be out and proud. I am seeing the opposite here. Why can’t we just celebrate trans identity? Why is it different to a homosexual person pretending to be straight?

I think what makes and sustains this movement is that it has a confluence of different interests coming together.
Big pharma is just one of them. All identity politics with its focus on the individual rather than collective values, as a youth rebellion movement, is allways going to have massive appeal to big business (and the establishment generally) as it actually makes no challanges to the powerful in society.
I also think the porn/tech loby is invested (the push to normallise child sexual exploitation is a big motivator for porn producers as it is a big market they are not allowed to touch and in a competitive industry where they are having to compete with free produce it must be frustrating when they know many men will pay to watch kids. (not all men but enough that the market would be huge)
And the anti women/feminism movement is having a field day with all this. The fact that the harm this movement does to women and children is testiment to how misognyistic our society still is.

I order what positrans thinks of this?

Wonder - shit

Mrs Merton would have the answer here.

What first attracted the billionaire transwoman Jennifer Pritzker to fund this ideology...?

Thank you for posting OP, it was an interesting watch.

Listening to it brought to mind how Christianity in times past would promote ideology and religious beliefs through charity hospitals, schools and reform homes for fallen women.

It made me consider again why state funding is important and reliance on philanthropy can be very dangerous. Philanthropists, unelected as they are, then get to dictate terms and shape society as they choose.

The impartiality of the state must be important too. I did like the emphasis on facts, evidence and data in the speech given by Liz Truss the other day.

I can't quite share the optimism expressed at the end of the video. I continue to be really worried about what is happening and where we are heading.

The video mentioned the sissy hypno porn / Bambi sleep thing. I'm fascinated to learn exactly where, how, who came up with that because it seems like a crazy 4chan hoax but it does ensnare regular straight guys -- brainwashes them and runs a wrecking ball through their lives and relationships. They used to pop up on itsafetish and some other now banned subreddits to talk about their struggle like it was a drug addiction.

I am not sure it is primarily about a profit motif. I believe, what unites billionaires who choose to use their wealth to shape society, be it the Kochs, Gates, Soros... is their urge to control the plebs.

The video mentioned the sissy hypno porn / Bambi sleep thing.

What the f* is that?

Thank you OP for posting your initial thread. The comment about NGOs and where they go once their initial demands/aims have largely been achieved resonated with me especially.

In reality Stonewall have achieved equality for LGB people in England, surely if that was their real motivation was they would branch overseas & do more to strengthen the rights of LGB people in other countries....It does seem to me like there was more money available to them here by promoting the T.

hi @mnhq - I seem to have had a deletion - I genuinely have no idea why and didn't think I said anything against the talk guidelines, could you drop me a quick line to let me know please?

@happydappy2

In reality Stonewall have achieved equality for LGB people in England, surely if that was their real motivation was they would branch overseas & do more to strengthen the rights of LGB people in other countries....It does seem to me like there was more money available to them here by promoting the T.

That's a bloody fantastic idea. The list of countries where an organisation such as stonewall could not exist must be a long one. I would have respected them so much if they had taken that route instead of, you know..

(Perhaps they do help some LGB people in Saudi, Russia or the like - if so I'd be pleased to be corrected.)