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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottow conviction overturned on appeal.

252 replies

marvellousnightforamooncup · 10/12/2020 12:48

Whoop!

Just seen her tweet.

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Signalbox · 10/12/2020 15:02

Is the High Court precedent setting? Hopefully this will save others from prosecution for unkindness.

yourhairiswinterfire · 10/12/2020 15:09

Tide may finally be turning, thank God.

Maya up next, I've got everything crossed for her. Genuinely don't know how she copes with the lies spread about her.

Then I'm praying Allison kicks Stonewall's arse for their vile, arrogant meddling. What I'd give to see them with egg on their face.

TGT were right, the ideology crumbles at the High Court because it's based on lies and demanding everyone else denies reality. With the court wins coming in, people will become less afraid to stand up to these bullies. They rule by fear, and when no one is afraid any more, they have nothing.

SunsetBeetch · 10/12/2020 15:12

@RoyalCorgi

Judge Margaret Dodd, when sentencing Scottow said, ‘We teach our children to be kind to each other and not to call each other names, you should follow that principle. We think before we write.’ With reference to the particular Twitter exchange that prompted Hayden to contact the police she said, ‘I take the view it was unkind and abusive… you cannot hide behind excuses’

Two things that are extraordinary about this. One is the idea that being unkind should be illegal - in which case, frankly, we're all in trouble, because I doubt there is a single person alive who hasn't been unkind at some point in their life.

The second is that the judge took absolutely no account of the provocation from Kate's accuser. I have to be very careful what I say here because the person who accused Kate is notoriously litigious but I would recommend anyone who wants to know more to google Stephanie Hayden.

The original judge clearly didn't understand twitter at all either. It was embarrassing to read her comments.
teawamutu · 10/12/2020 15:18

High Court decisions are binding on courts below - so Crown and magistrates.

Going to change some people's approach a bit.

WootMoggie · 10/12/2020 15:26

has Hayden tweeted about it yet?

Yup:

There have been 3 judgments in the High Court within the last 9 days that have trodden over #transgender people. Health care has been fettered and now the Court appears to have given the green light for doxing and abusing trans people online.

Whilst I am disappointed with the High Court’s decision I nevertheless congratulate Mrs Scottow and wish both her family and her best wishes. Time now to draw a line.

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 15:29

"Time to draw a line"

Appros of nothing: I once drew a sentence on a beach saying "No. I fucking won't"*

Twas funny. You had to be there.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 15:29

What's the third judgement?

Keira bell is one obvs, and presumably the self-identified lawyer is feeling trodden on, but what is the 3rd ?

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 15:29

TGT were right, the ideology crumbles at the High Court because it's based on lies and demanding everyone else denies reality. With the court wins coming in, people will become less afraid to stand up to these bullies. They rule by fear, and when no one is afraid any more, they have nothing.

That's a nice thought. After watching the Select Committee yesterday, though, I'm not sure I'm feeling so optimistic. MPs tasked with making recommendations seem to have close to zero knowledge and/or understanding.

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 15:29
  • Is a full sentence

** I did not let it lie

PurpleHoodie · 10/12/2020 15:31

ItsAll Good question.

Signalbox · 10/12/2020 15:34

What's the third judgement?

I was wondering that.

yourhairiswinterfire · 10/12/2020 15:34

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

What's the third judgement?

Keira bell is one obvs, and presumably the self-identified lawyer is feeling trodden on, but what is the 3rd ?

Freddy not being allowed be called a father?
nauticant · 10/12/2020 15:36

Possibly this one ItsAllGoingToBeFine:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/3291.html

Signalbox · 10/12/2020 15:51

Possibly this one

I think the game might be up for Steph...

As to the historic acts of alleged harassment relied upon to support the injunction application, I am not satisfied that the Claimant has demonstrated that the acts of the Defendant relied upon have crossed the line between unattractive or unreasonable behaviour to conduct that is oppressive and unacceptable. The acts of the Defendant took place in a fairly limited time frame. Apart from one message, none of the Tweets or Facebook messages about which the Claimant complains was objectively "targeted" at the Claimant. The hallmark of harassment is a persistent and deliberate course of targeted oppression. If the Claimant had not sought out the Defendant's Tweets in which she was not tagged or the Facebook messages, she would have been entirely unaware of them

The Court can reasonably expect a person who is the subject of unwanted communications to engage in a degree of self-help before seeking to obtain a harassment injunction from the Court. The first step is self-resilience: the ability to ignore or shrug off unpleasant messages or comments, a quality that is perhaps all the more important if a person intends to engage in public debate. The Claimant herself has acknowledged this and accepted that "when you put yourself in the public eye you expect a certain extent… of criticism and you have to be robust and you have to have thick skin" (see [11] above). Even outside the arena of debate, most people, during their lives, will encounter occasional online comments that are critical and unpleasant, even offensive and upsetting. Sometimes that offence is intended, on other occasions the capacity for the remarks to hurt and upset is not fully appreciated by the critic. But everyone is expected to show a degree of tolerance and resilience in the face of this sort of occasional unpleasantness. These are part of the day-to-day irritations, annoyances and upset that are a fact of modern life.

WootMoggie · 10/12/2020 15:53

TGT were right, the ideology crumbles at the High Court

Hmmm well.... There is a transgender High Court judge, so if a case lands in their lap the judgement might be very different.

www.vagabomb.com/Victoria-McCloud-UKs-First-Ever-Transgender-High-Court-Judge/

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 15:54

[quote nauticant]Possibly this one ItsAllGoingToBeFine:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/3291.html[/quote]
Wow - that's a very entertaining read Grin

"Whilst I accept that some of the language of the Defendant's posts has been unpleasant, and may have upset the Claimant, most of it either falls comfortably within the width of freedom of expression or is puerile 'name-calling'. It is plain from the Defendant's posts that she was critical of the Claimant as someone she considered to be a bully (Message 29), a "serial" and "vexatious" litigator (Messages 1, 5, 14, 17) – even renaming her account "The 30th Victim of lolsuit" – and someone she wished to see defeated (Message 11). The Defendant raised questions (by posting similar issues raised by others) about how the Claimant could afford to fund her lifestyle and substantial litigation (Messages 5 and 7), which was not an unreasonable question for a layperson to ask"

Signalbox · 10/12/2020 15:54

Although Judge is critical of Kiwi Farms and states that harassment does exist online that is directed at SH.

I should, perhaps, add a few further observations. This is the second case in which I have considered objections by the Claimant to what has posted about her online. Although I have decided, at this interim stage, that the Claimant is not entitled to an injunction against this Defendant on the basis of the evidence as it stands at the moment, it is clear that some people have set out to harass the Claimant online. Some of the abuse directed at the Claimant, particularly on the Kiwi Farms website, authored by people emboldened by, and complacent in, their anonymity, clearly represents a persistent and deliberate course of targeted oppression significantly aggravated by the fact that it is carried out as a group activity

allmywhat · 10/12/2020 15:55

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/3291.html

Angry At first I thought "what a ridiculous waste of time for expensive public servants" but when you read on it goes from pathetic to enraging. Another woman arrested? Her property seized? I know we're being monitored. So I will only say that I do not see how anyone reading this, let alone the judge writing it, could have any doubt about what direction the harassment is going in.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE POLICE IN THIS COUNTRY.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 15:57

Grin Grin Grin Steph asked the judge to recuse himself Shock

PlantMam · 10/12/2020 16:18

@NCNCNNC

Never heard of this case before, just Googled it and read some articles including the one someone linked above which balances it out a bit. Genuine question though: why the happiness about the decision being overturned?

From the bits I read it seems she was trolling this person, was asked to stop by the police and then commented on a statement made by them? It reads as though she sought this person out was her actions were described as harassment by one article.

Saying mean things on the internet isn’t a criminal offence.
BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 10/12/2020 16:21

This is fantastic news! I’m so happy for Kate and her family!

Well done @BustedWench

Barracker · 10/12/2020 16:25

Excellent news

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/12/2020 16:27

Now just maya to sort out...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/12/2020 16:29

Brilliant news! Thanks

Viviennemary · 10/12/2020 16:30

I haven't heard of her either. What she tweeted was downright nasty. Seems nasty things can only be said about certain people. Double standards.