Kelly Jones’ daughter is now his son

[IrishMumSW19]

Has anyone else seen this? It seems that his daughter was a lesbian then realised it was ‘more of a gender issue’ and is now his son. Seems to be more and more common.

Yes I saw, and didn’t think much of it, until I was fairly surprised to hear that he will be keeping his place at his all-girl’s school.

My friend is a teacher at an all girls’ school and says they have several “trans boys”. It really is the new goth.

Yes there are a lot of gender non conforming girls at DD’s all girls school. There always were gender non confusing girls I went there too but obviously these days it is seen as part of a bigger identity issue.

Confusing = confirming

Well, this is the logical conclusion. The strongest possible evidence for being a "boy trapped in a girls body" is being attracted to girls. That's probably the single biggest statistical behaviour difference between male and female - which sex you're attracted to. This is far more concrete than "does/doesn't like pink/dolls/cars".

Therefore once you accept gendered souls, it makes perfect sense that "boy-gendered souls" are the female-attracted ones. So "lesbian" is no longer useful as a concept - all people formerly known as lesbians can now be viewed as boys.

This made me think of Angelina Jolie and her daughter - Shiloh? - who "wants to be a boy." AFAIK, AJ has always let her have short hair and wear "boys'" clothes but still calls her her "daughter" and a "girl." I hope that carries on.

At least Colby is a more sensible name, I guess.

Perhaps it's the only way his child could see to change name from Lolita Bootsy to Colby. Remaining at an all girls school gives time to change their mind although having more exposure to actual boys might make them realise that not being like most girls isn't the same as being a boy.

"Lolita Bootsy"??

Female offspring are always daughters, never sons, whatever they prefer to call themselves

The fathers announcement to the world will make it harder for this child to switch back in a couple of years when the fad goes out of fashion

Lolitsa Bootsy - is that genuine?

'Lolita Bootsy' 🤮

Yeah, Lolita Bootsy

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/stereophonics-kelly-jones-trans-daughter-lolita-bootsy-colby-son-fly-eagle-a9474511.html

I wish them well. But it reminds me a lot of R. Kelly's daughter who came out as trans at 14, and was known as Jay. You can still find the media stuff gushing over the personal life of a child on the internet.

Then desisted at 18 and said she'd been too scared to be openly lesbian, and thought she must be a boy.

thevelvetchronicle.com/r-kellys-child-jaah-went-public-as-trans-now-18-explains-she-was-a-lesbian/

I worry that wanting to change from girl to boy or vice versa is becoming more of a fashionable choice than one that they actually feel.

I don't doubt that there are some people who feel they were born in the wrong body, but I also don't believe that any decisions or actions should be taken until adulthood (obviously it's fine to wear what you like, and do what you like, but no hormones or other medical intervention until you're an adult.)

I have a friend whose daughter has just announced that she's trans, and I just think it's rubbish. She's looking for attention, and my god, she's getting it. She never showed any signs of this as a child and was always a 'girly girl', with clothes, makeup, dolls, not liking getting dirty - the whole stereotype of a girl really. She was a very happy little girl. AFAIK 'wanting to be a boy' doesn't just happen overnight, but it seems she's seen a subculture on social media that she thinks it'd be cool to be a part of.

There's a difference between tolerance and turning it into something that teens aspire to.

I worry that people will make life changing decisions that they will live to regret.

@SmidgenofaPigeon

Yes I saw, and didn’t think much of it, until I was fairly surprised to hear that he will be keeping his place at his all-girl’s school.

Girls' schools are single sex; this child hasn't (and never can) change sex. A kid certainly shouldn't get kicked out of a school because they're gender nonconforming.

I saw this after he was on the Ferne Cotton show. I think he’s struggled with it to be fair. Lots of going out to the mountains to process the news. He also spoke of ‘grieving’ for the daughter that once was. Perhaps he’s probably done what a lot of parents have done and that is resign themselves to it reluctantly to preserve their relationship with a child they dearly love. And once you do that you HAVE to become a sort of cheerleader to the cause because it’s an indirect way of telling your child you love them. I don’t think he’s lived with Colby’s mother for a good long while. He remarried in 2013 when Colby would have been 9/10 years old and has had 2 further children.

I know I like to think I’d be strong in the same circumstances but as a non-resident father maybe he has chosen to go along with what the mother wants if she has to deal with the day-to-day turbulence and fallout of a child who wants to transition? Who knows.

I too worry about a child attending a single-sex school who transitions. Where are their role models or benchmarks for the gender role they feel they are? What is it based on? And how do they cope if they are thrown into a mixed sex scenario like a flat-share at uni? I know I’d be worried sick as a parent at that aspect if they’d lived such a cloistered life in a single-sex school.

Anyway, I‘m sure Colby is delighted that their Dad is publicly supporting them and what anyone else thinks is irrelevant to them.

Well no and I realise that. But if it’s being expected that he now is a boy and male for all intents and purposes (Apart from the obvious) then an all-girls school doesn’t quite fit. However it’s probably the right choice to at least give him time to really consider if it’s the path he wants to go down. I didn’t for one minute suggest he was kicked out.

@PurpleHoodie

"Lolita Bootsy"??

Christ, with that and having a rock star for a father: well, it's a lot to live up to.

I remember reading a piece about one of Richard Branson’s daughters who ‘dressed’ as a boy, short hair, don’t know about name... as a child - they seemed to just let her get in with it, and she grew out of it and now has kids.

Not a fan of Richard but I applaud his (and his wife’s) approach.

That was in the dim and distant past when that approach wasn't transphobic though...

@NecessaryScene1 you’re joking right? Please tell me that’s sarcasm?