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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Maugham

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GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 04/12/2020 20:51

I follow Jo on Twitter and feel that the GoodLaw project is a needed and good thing when it comes to holding ministers/gov spending to account. He seems to take refuge in the rule of law and facts .... so, so WHY after the recent ruling on puberty blockers is he tweeting and retweeting Trans folk who are sharing (in emotive and extra detail) their experience post ruling. What his deal?? What’s his skin in the game? Looked through some old tweets and he really seems to have come down hard against women’s rights.
Ca anyone explain his deal here?

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sashagabadon · 15/12/2020 20:14

@WeeBisom

Just read the article. Maugham says that judges do not have the expertise to decide whether kids can consent to medical treatment. While judges often heavily defer to medical expertise when making a decision, they do have a great deal of expertise in deciding competency. Where is he getting this idea that judges are out of touch and ill equipped to make these kinds of decisions?

He’s also cross at children having to go to court to get permission for treatment. Apparently it’s extraordinary that a judge gets to decide and knows better than a parent. Well, he sounds a bit out of touch- this debate has been done to death with cases like Charlie Gard. Judges have to decide what is in the child’s best interest so they do indeed sometimes clash with parents wishes. Inadvertently, this whole idea that parents know best is something that was advocated by right wing Christian groups. Oops.

Haha and then he describes in detail how you can order hormone blockers off the dark web using Bitcoin. Absolutely batty.

Yes Charlie Gard always springs to mind. I wonder what his view on that situation was? Did he agree with the parents they should have been able to take their son to Italy? And he is advocating that parents know best, but alongside Keira Bell is a parent, Mrs A. So does she know best ( that her child should not have pb’s) or not? Do some parents and some children know best and others don’t know best? And if so, how to tell the parents that know best from the other kind of parent that doesn’t, and what happens when parents disagree with each other, which of the two know best? Neither? both?- it’s a very incoherent argument.
FannyCann · 15/12/2020 20:14

*expert witnesses I meant.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 15/12/2020 20:37

@Helmetbymidnight

hes now saying 'feminists of privelege run the media'

he is absolutely deranged.

It's a well known fact that Murdoch is in thrall to Big Vagina. The greatest trick feminists ever pulled was distracting everyone with Page 3 girls and contriving to make it look like the media is dominated by men (the 60/30 male/female representation ratio in newspapers is one of their major 'double bluff' achievements). They just didn't count on a campaigning tax lawyer rumbling them.
SophocIestheFox · 15/12/2020 21:00

Big vagina Grin

Where do transmen appear in his privilege almanac, I wonder?

EwwSprouts · 15/12/2020 21:21

Did anyone else notice he's leaving Devereux Chambers? To what extent, if any, is there a link between this and starting a crowd funder for legal fees?

ghislaine · 15/12/2020 21:52

Not much, I would think. He wouldn’t have much experience in the type of cases he wishes to bring. I think there are two motivators here: his chambers is probably tired of all his grandstanding, the not always positive publicity, and if he’s neglected his practice then perhaps he’s not bringing in the income he once was. On his part, I think this is part of a grab for greater glory. Why be a dull tax lawyer when you can be a champion of the oppressed?

EwwSprouts · 15/12/2020 22:01

We'll have to wait and see. He has passion & ego and a better understanding than the judges.

Helmetbymidnight · 15/12/2020 22:13

how do you mean a 'better' understanding?

WouldBeGood · 15/12/2020 22:23

He’s a dick

SirVixofVixHall · 15/12/2020 22:32

@WouldBeGood

He’s a dick
Yes, he is.
SirVixofVixHall · 15/12/2020 22:34

I also wonder how flexible his thinking is. Battering a trapped animal to death rather than getting help to free it, was a bizarre response, as well as a disgusting one. He seems lacking in empathy, and absolutely certain of his own righteousness.

Redsquareoctopus · 15/12/2020 23:39

He’s bizarre. Absolutely devoid of the capacity to walk in another’s shoes.

PlantMam · 16/12/2020 00:31

@EwwSprouts

We'll have to wait and see. He has passion & ego and a better understanding than the judges.
A better understanding of what?
SirVixofVixHall · 16/12/2020 00:38

A better understanding of what it feels like to brutally kill a trapped and terrified animal maybe ?

PlantMam · 16/12/2020 00:44

A better understanding of living in a Windmill?

Or of avoiding paying the proles the half million quid he owes?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/11/pro-remain-lawyer-jolyon-maugham-sued-alleged-500000-unpaid/amp/

Collidascope · 16/12/2020 06:41

Twitter has broken his brain

I think this is true. There's a certain kind of person who really doesn't do well on Twitter, which isn't surprising when every topic is dressed in the language of outrage and aggression.

merrymouse · 16/12/2020 07:20

It’s all so confusing. If privileged feminists run the media, how did the BBC pay scandal happen?

RedToothBrush · 16/12/2020 07:54

Does Jo Maughan have a weird Rod Hull fixation? Does he want to revive the series with him as the star for 2020? Is his windmill pink? Didn't Rod Hull have a vendetta against an witch who was the baddie?

Hull used Emu to create a kind of gleeful havoc, while not accepting blame for it.

(Wikipedia even tells me that the kids from pink windmill were from the Corona Stage school too!)

gets coat

merrymouse · 16/12/2020 07:55

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/97358690-6a9e-11e9-80c7-60ee53e6681d

Only 15% of QCs are women (despite women and men qualifying in equal numbers), and that number is reflected in the make up of Deveraux chambers.

www.devereuxchambers.co.uk/barristers

But yes, a shadowy cabal of feminists controls judges and the media.

Passmeabottlemrjones · 16/12/2020 08:17

It's a well known fact that Murdoch is in thrall to Big Vagina. The greatest trick feminists ever pulled was distracting everyone with Page 3 girls and contriving to make it look like the media is dominated by men (the 60/30 male/female representation ratio in newspapers is one of their major 'double bluff' achievements). They just didn't count on a campaigning tax lawyer rumbling them.

😂😂😂

EwwSprouts · 16/12/2020 08:20

"a better understanding" my take on his comments eg
"Jolyon Maugham QC, the Good Law Project’s founder. “Because these questions that the court has decided around…are not questions in relation to which judges have any expertise, right? The notion that a treatment should be denied by judges...just seemed like madness.”
www.vice.com/en/article/qjp3ab/it-will-be-difficult-but-we-have-to-try-the-lawyers-fighting-for-trans-rights-in-the-uk

Winesalot · 16/12/2020 08:21

I think Malcolm Clark has it.

twitter.com/twisterfilm/status/1338994912902123524?s=21

I hadn’t read about the PB sheep trials.

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/12/2020 08:29

That sheep thing is fascinating.

We should be used to these forever moving goal posts though. Never the right day, time, source, colour pen, person, there seems to be an impossible set of hoops to jump through to present facts

Kit19 · 16/12/2020 08:34

[quote EwwSprouts]"a better understanding" my take on his comments eg
"Jolyon Maugham QC, the Good Law Project’s founder. “Because these questions that the court has decided around…are not questions in relation to which judges have any expertise, right? The notion that a treatment should be denied by judges...just seemed like madness.”
www.vice.com/en/article/qjp3ab/it-will-be-difficult-but-we-have-to-try-the-lawyers-fighting-for-trans-rights-in-the-uk[/quote]
luckily that that was not what the case was about

the case was about consent and whether children have the capacity to consent to a treatment which has long and far reaching effects e.g. loss of fertility

it was not about whether the treatment itself was medically appropriate.

MaudTheInvincible · 16/12/2020 08:45

a shadowy cabal of feminists

Grin