Impact of 2-child benefit cap on abortion decisions

[niceberg]

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/03/two-child-limit-on-benefits-a-key-factor-in-many-abortion-decisions-says-charity

This was inevitable and as such must have been seen as an acceptable outcome by the government when it was introduced.

@MsSafina

"Stop insinuating that women can't control their own reproduction." Unfortunately they can't in the Middle East and Africa where they face extreme male violence and no rights. Something which some ethnic minorities would like to import into this country. Who is having numerous children on welfare apart from poor white people?

And that is exactly why the majority of the world's population who are women need to have the majority control of the world. Yoko Ono said men are born free, women are enslaved. (She said" women are the n.....s of the world") A start would be to end all existing aid which can be monetised, and stop duplicating Bill Gates' and Warren Buffet's funding of maximising population explosion, instead back Melinda who backs birth control. Send nothing but condoms and implants and coils and by all means pay people to have vasectomy and sterilisation. Use every financial means to reward not having children. In China, it seemed brutal, but it did the job, because people were forced to see that there is some point in girls, apart from as churners out of children to add to the starving. Now, the scarce girls can name their terms before agreeing to marry, and need stand no nonsense afterwards. In any country of the world, when women have a realistic, achievable alternative life, they refuse to go back to breeding much if at all.

So don't reward young girls who get pregnant with a flat and benefits. If you say there is no reward in this behaviour, you will change the behaviour. What is needed though are apprenticeships and more college education but Covid has buggered everything up.

The trollery and ignoring of reality on this thread is now blatent. Nobody with two braincells to rub together, who hasn't been living under a rock, genuinely still believes the long outdated urban myth that young girls who get pregnant are given a flat!

Don't facilitate large families. So no extra money for bigger families would seem like common sense.

"Urban myth: Young girls who get pregnant are given a flat." Do you know any? I do and they were given a flat!

MsSafina I used to teach at a large secondary school. Teenage pregnancy is an issue. Girls who got pregnant were never given flats. Never.

As I said upthread, countries with better social safety nets have lower birth rates, lower child poverty - and they also have lower teenage pregnancy rates.

The arguments and logic behind punishing the children of larger families or teenage parents by allowing children to grow up in poverty as a disincentive don't stack up. The more children grow up in poverty, the higher the birthrate, the higher the child poverty rate, the higher the rate of teenage pregnancy and teenage parenthood.

Someone I know was understandably angry and scared when their very sheltered, not very bright school age daughter was offered council housing as a reward for pregnancy. She said loads of her friends were getting babies so she wanted one. The social workers asked if she wanted more, and she said yes, so she could have a boy and a girl because one other girl in her class had, and it looked so cute to dress them up and put them in the same buggy, just as if they were twins.

On that basis, they told her she had better have a three bedroom house, because if she kept trying till she had a boy and a girl, they would need different bedrooms, so a three bed would save them the trouble of only having to move her all over again, later. Admittedly that was over ten years ago, and that particular council has made a fair shake at having more council housing than anywhere else. (Some families have apparently specialised in getting little empires of them, to sub-let)

I knew a few teens who got flats when pregnant in the 90s.

Admittedly that was over ten years ago, and that particular council has made a fair shake at having more council housing than anywhere else. (Some families have apparently specialised in getting little empires of them, to sub-let)

Maybe it’s LA dependent then, as my experience was the same as a teacher in a particularly deprived northern town. Girls who wanted to get away from their home lives the only real option was pregnancy and setting up on their own. Quite a few would time their pregnancy for their 16th birthday. It was often used as a way of getting out from an abusive family.

One family no one had worked for generations, except for one woman who worked in the local benefits office. Knew all the ins and outs, how to fill out forms, which benefits they were eligible for etc.

It was very sad in many ways that to many youngsters there were no other opportunities.