Keira

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Live tweets from Belstaffie here:

mobile.twitter.com/Belstaffie/status/1333716720176033793

thank you Betty. re prof butler link.

Times radio has a mum of a trans teen who took PBs at 14 being interviewe by John Pienaar now

Of course pbs are used for adult transition too. Sorry my mistake thank you those posters who have pointed that out. I dont think affirmative care should be a treatment full stop to be honest. Its like agreeing with anorexic people that they are fat, just plainly wrong and harmful on so many levels. Be feminine or masculine in your presentation but please let's stop carving up healthy bodies.

LOL at all the TRAs saying they won when Stonewall and Mermaids issue statements about how devastated they are.

@cantdothisnow1
As the parent of two autistic children I'm dumbfounded by the negligence of Tavistock in failing to record which patients are autistic. To me this is criminal because it means that the advice they received prior to treatment wasn't tailored to meet their specific needs.

I so agree with this. Children with ASD are known to be vulnerable to being misled. They are often much more impressionable and less mature than NT children of the same age yet it feels like no one involved ever stopped to consider this may affect their ability to consent. It's truly upsetting, tbh.

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Seems like attempts by Pink News and some msm to represent it as a partial victory have now been quietly changed.

eg article titled "Puberty blockers OK for under-16s" is now "Trans kids must understand risks".

@Thingybob

Is it just me, or are the most vocal TRAs unusually quiet about the judgement?

The majority seem to be putting out one supportive tweet, at best, then quickly moving on to something else.

They either don't care or don't realise how significant this judgement is for children who believe they are trans.

Sadly, comments are blocked on the Guardian.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I'm pretty sure there was a study started at one point and it vanished

It's mentioned in the judgement, awaiting revisions after review or something.

There was an initial study - Michael Biggs wrote a damning review of it. Will see if I can find it (all I can remember is I was on a train when I read it!)

Could Keira sue the Tavistock/NHS for what was done to her?

Because, if she can, I bloody hope she does.

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Biggs_ExperimentPubertyBlockers.pdf

This isn't the one I meant but worth I read

Keira is going to be on Radio 4 PM soon.

Will be interesting to see what tack Evan Davies takes - he's been pretty hostile to GC viewpoint in the past, iirc.

Wow I just tried to share the link to The Good Law Project’s crowd justice fundraiser (purely for the interesting update) and got autoblocked 🤣

@nauticant

I think if I was a general member of the public, who didn't know much about the background to this, I'd have so many questions after reading some of these reports.

By coincidence I was just about to post this. One excellent result of this decision is that since TRAs feel they have to oppose it and provide reasons, they show their hand of what they're about. If you go on twitter there's all kinds of rubbish being argued that anyone with sense looking on, and today lots more people are looking on, would think "hmm, no, that's not right, not right at all". For example those pushing hard their argument that 13 year olds can consent to all manner of alarming treatment.

To the question "Did Keira win?", the answer is "sunlight".

Yep. It suddenly starts to unravel when they actually have to come up with something concrete, doesn't it?

In order to challenge this judgment, they have to have a counter argument. And we all know what happens when you ask for one of those.

Here's an update on transgender trend with a link back to his original article: www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers-update/

The pro-trans groups are selling this court victory as a covert wedge to make birth control and abortion illegal. This is the angle the clueless masses of libfems are being told and about to be up in arms about.

@BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero

Wow I just tried to share the link to The Good Law Project’s crowd justice fundraiser (purely for the interesting update) and got autoblocked 🤣

You can't post links to crowdfunders.

Interesting that they have paused it though!

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Mermaids have released a statement: mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/tavistock-case/ archive.li/u9Y9e

Excerpts:

"Today’s judgment from the High Court risks untold, irreparable damage to young trans people in England and Wales. It heralds nothing less than a new era of discrimination, treating trans youth differently from all other young people and barring them from accessing life-saving care."

"This morning’s deeply-misguided decision does not reflect years of overwhelmingly-positive outcomes gained via hormone blocker treatments within the NHS. Hormone blockers have allowed many trans young people to escape the torture of going through the wrong puberty"

"We now face a disturbing new scenario, when a young person along with their parents, their doctor and expert clinicians all support treatment, but a judge with no medical qualifications can overrule them. No other young people face this barrier to healthcare, only trans youth."

"The implications of this ruling are wide-reaching. This decision is a dark day for the rights of all young people to make decisions about their own bodies, including young people seeking access to the pill and even abortions."

"Susie Green, CEO of Mermaids, said: ‘To say this is devastating is an understatement. As a parent of a child who accessed blockers internationally because they weren’t available on the NHS at that time, I know what this means to those families affected. My daughter is clear that without blockers, she would not have wanted to carry on, knowing that forever, she would be identifiable as being assigned male at birth due to irreversible changes that a male puberty would have brought."

"I only wish the judges involved had actually talked to some of the young people affected by their decision."

Crikey, it's remarkable. Not a single bit of evidence quoted, no studies mentioned, nothing to back up the argument,

They've got absolutely zilch. Anecdotes and emotional blackmail. Is that it?

No wonder they were rejected as, what is the thing, interveners?

Is there a short phrase from the court judgement that can be easily tweeted?

Sorry juggling dinner, kids etc.

I'm just thinking it's good to add onto the hashtags that will be taken over.,

@SetYourselfOnFire

The pro-trans groups are selling this court victory as a covert wedge to make birth control and abortion illegal. This is the angle the clueless masses of libfems are being told and about to be up in arms about.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4095082-keira-judgement-and-abortion-rights

Yeah. We’ve had a ‘plop’ over here.

Here's an update on transgender trend with a link back to his original article: www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers-update/

Thanks. That was roughly what I remembered: a study was started, but it wasn't completed/published. The question of course is why. Why would a group of medical practitioners not write up and publish the results of a research study?

Just catching up on the thread. 👊Keira you are awesome. Hope you are OK.

My daughter is clear that without blockers, she would not have wanted to carry on [with the transition]

Susie Green is forever giving tells isn't she?

"The implications of this ruling are wide-reaching. This decision is a dark day for the rights of all young people to make decisions about their own bodies, including young people seeking access to the pill and even abortions."

Holy fuck, talk about over-reach! What on earth connection is there with the pill/abortions? None whatsoever, as far as I can see. Is this not dangerous scaremongering?

Just from the Susie Green statement, I've seen some silliness in my time, but this:
"My daughter is clear that without blockers, she would not have wanted to carry on, knowing that forever, she would be identifiable as being assigned male at birth due to irreversible changes that a male puberty would have brought."
was particularly special.

I thought the whole point of the phrase "assigned male at birth" was to imply an arbitrary and often incorrect labelling process. Going on to lament the all too real changes of a male puberty undermines that somewhat.
And again, the threat of suicide. I've heard rumour that everytime they do this a Samaritan volunteer drops dead. I also wonder how all the very vulnerable transwomen who did go through their male puberty feel seeing the statement about life not being worth living if you can be clocked as male. I'm not sure how someone so focussed on Trans Pride when can propagate the idea that people knowing you are trans is worth killing yourself over without any hint that this isn't reasonable or right. No reassurance to those who can't ever hope to pass.

Surely some kind of therapy/counselling to make you less dependent on others' reactions to you