Transgender teen removed from parents in order to start hormone treatment in Australis

[WattleOn]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8998207/Transsexual-teenager-removed-parents-judge-rules-parents-abusive.html

Summary - 15 year old girl wants to be a boy. Parents don’t want her to receive hormone therapy. Court removes child from parents. Court case this week regarding starting hormone therapy.

I’ll be watching the court case closely. Australia is very pro transgender rights. This is terrifying.

Watching closely with you .

The parents seem to be sensibly asking for a second/independent opinion about their lonely depressed teen having elective medical procedures with lifelong consequences.

Watching with a heavy heart.

Why provide a service for hormone therapy at the very time when a girls hormones are all over the place. Why not provide counselling instead. Why no support from the court or medical services for that first? It's terrifying that one aspect is insisted upon but the cause of this desire to change sex is not even discussed. Unfortunately true of how things work in other countries too when a teen (or pre-teen) wants to change sex,. it is all too easy. Transgenderism is top of the victimhood tree at the moment so is positively encouraged.

And the article suggests that the emergence of transgender feelings could be linked to a move to a new place, new home, new school.

I can’t believe she has been taken away from her parents because of this!

Good god... if the kid is trans ( not that anyone can define it so no one even knows what we are actually talking about but go with it) then what difference will letting them get some unbiased independent counselling make? If they are trans they will still be trans at the end if it and adulthood isn't that far away now for them to do whatever they want. But if its one if multiple reasons /issues on top that we all know have not been properly explored , then maybe just maybe it will prevent irreversible changes to their body. Why ge so afraid ofnthen getting help younremive from their parents ffs. Think.being in a care home full of other kids probably far too.messed up themselves to have time to go along with pronouns etc of someone else will help their suicidality? Are they mad...ffs

That’s child’s life is about to be ruined isn’t it?

The care system doesn't exactly have the best reputation. There have been cases of abuse etc in care homes. A troubled teen will no doubt he hard to place. Not to mention if they stick them in the boys dorm with the male staff...I mean do the math. I expect many of the children will no doubt have all sorts of issues , boundry issues etc as a result of all they have been through. They need the adults to try and reinforce them and keep them safe. How can that happen here

I remember hearing a radio programme about the aborigine children just taken from families -land place in homes or deliberately with white families. It was just shocking. But then the way the ‘orphan’ kids from the U.K. were treated wasn’t much better in a lot of cases.

Children treated like livestock.

I think it was stacy dooley who did a documentary on the romany children removed from their parents. The staff at the care home pimped out the girls

Could the parents not take this to the international court of human rights? This action clearly infringes their right to private family life - it has removed their child and broken up their family altogether.

I can just about get my head around the state removing a child from the family home, for their own protection (ie if suicidal, had an eating disorder, needed to be in a hospital.) But if the state then inject that child with testosterone....with all the life changing effects that will follow-that is just awful. Those poor parents & that poor child is now extremely vulnerable.

@Babdoc

Could the parents not take this to the international court of human rights? This action clearly infringes their right to private family life - it has removed their child and broken up their family altogether.

This is Australia.

There is no such court.

The child was s suicide risk. The parents wouldn't listen and continued to push their own agenda.

Bodily autonomy.

But if the state then inject that child with testosterone....with all the life changing effects that will follow-that is just awful. Those poor parents & that poor child is now extremely vulnerable

Yes what are they planning on doing ? I mean in 2 years time tbe kid will be put onto adult services ? Can regular treatment even be done in the care system I mean won't there be multiple needs/demands to deal with in a group session , can it be relied on to provide this treatment at the regular intervals required? And what do they plan on doing when the kid is am adult ? Why are they starting something they can't finish. Where does that even leave the child?

I would hope the judges involved in the Australian Family Court who were involved in previous rulings for stage one and stage two treatments (Re: Kelvin, Re: Jamie etc) are watching the Keira Bell case closely. They were told in those rulings puberty blockers were just a pause, reversible etc, and having read the various different rulings I don’t think the implications of long term testosterone was really tackled.

I am also fairly sure that once a child is in the care of the state the decision is supposed to go before a judge, but I’m not 100% sure.

The child was s suicide risk. The parents wouldn't listen and continued to push their own agenda

In which case it is particularly important to explore the reasons behind the child's depression rather than pushing them down a non reversible transition pathway. Because if that turns out to be the wrong decision they certainly will have something to be depressed about. A second opinion on such an important decision is part of the safeguards. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

@Joswis

The child was s suicide risk. The parents wouldn't listen and continued to push their own agenda.

Bodily autonomy.

The evidence is that treatment doesn’t remove this risk.

@Joswis

The child was s suicide risk. The parents wouldn't listen and continued to push their own agenda.

Bodily autonomy.

so do you think a child with depression should be supported in starving themselves to death if they so choose, in the name of bodily autonomy?

Should the state intervene to prevent the parents getting the child some mental health support?

Should the state intervene to prevent the parents getting the child some mental health support?

What is the problem with therapy. Whats to be afraid of.

Sadly many people have been suicidal. It doesn’t mean someone is thinking clearly and rationally and coherently and long term.

If a teen is pregnant you would hope the parents give clear and honest information about the reality of raising a baby, adoption and termination and ask for outside help and counselling so the teen could make an informed choice about what’s affecting their body. Better to have all the information so you can make the best decision for you

And why do we have adults fighting for the ability to be able to self ID without having to change anything about themselves at all , simultaneously fighting for children to access medication etc

I remember hearing a recording of a doctor counselling parents and teens to say outright that they will commit suicide if they didn’t get the treatment they wanted (same as this teen).

The narrative is ‘better a live X than a dead Y’. Lots of teens are suicidal - when I was at school it was the goths and the lesbians (and some of the melodramatic girls).

So take all kids away from parents if they want something, won’t be handed it and they threaten to kill themselves?

Just checked and you do still need to go to court if a child is in care of the state, as ruled in Re: Kelvin.

Please note that you may still need Court authorisation in the following circumstances:

•There is a genuine dispute between parents, or people who have parental responsibility for a child, as to whether treatment should proceed

•There is a dispute between the child and / or their parents and medical staff as to whether treatment should proceed

•There is a genuine dispute between the child and their parents as to whether treatment should proceed (if the child is not competent)

•If a child is under the protection of a state welfare authority.

justiceconnect.org.au/re-kelvin-a-big-win-for-stage-2-access/

What about medical treatment not

Do they need to go to court for mon emergency treatment?

Is this kid potentially in the same situation in care?

Re: Kelvin is specific to stage 2, that is, cross sex hormones so it’s directly related to this child’s testosterone and as a child in care, a court would likely be - should be- involved in making the decision to start it.

Any child can be subject to court intervention for medical treatment if it’s deemed necessary.

The Australian family court rulings for medical treatment for children are hugely flawed based on what we know now.