Transgender teen removed from parents in order to start hormone treatment in Australis

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8998207/Transsexual-teenager-removed-parents-judge-rules-parents-abusive.html

Summary - 15 year old girl wants to be a boy. Parents don’t want her to receive hormone therapy. Court removes child from parents. Court case this week regarding starting hormone therapy.

I’ll be watching the court case closely. Australia is very pro transgender rights. This is terrifying.

This is a very bad call, given our history of child removals. No Australian with a smidgen of historical knowledge could think child removal by the state, absent some very compelling reasons, is in the child's best interests. Especially the child of minorities (the parents are immigrants).

The family ought to have been supported to organise psychological therapy for their child's suicidal ideation, and if necessary, to have had assistance parenting a mentally unwell child. That would take actual thought and effort.

I'm glad I was living in a more conservative state when my kid was in the depths of ROGD and co-morbid issues.

In a few years these children will be seeking compensation for these surgical procedures. IMHO.

Surely if a child is suicidal they need psychiatric support?

How does transitioning reduce suicidal ideation anyway? My understanding is that it has good effect initially, and then as people realise they can't meet the image they have of themselves post transition, the mood disorders return.

It'd be handy if we had some decent long term data on the population who desist. Apparently, though, good science is hateful.

Being an immigrant doesn't mean they are an ethnic minority. They may have come from the UK. I agree that a suicidal child needs a psychiatric assessment not irreversible changes to their body and removed from their parents. If someone is depressed and suicidal they should not be making life changing possibly irreversible decisions. The child needs psychiatric input not chemicals and cosmetic surgery.

And it’s worth remembering that certain effects of testosterone - facial hair and voice changes for instance - are irreversible very quickly after commencement, within 6 months.

The parents just wanted a second opinion especially considering the side effects the thing is if she was just suicidal they would have done it ASAP but because the trans label has been dropped in they are over reacting

The child was s suicide risk. The parents wouldn't listen and continued to push their own agenda.

Depression will be causing the suicidal feelings. This is rarely just because of one single issue, and any decent medical professional should want to get to the bottom of it all.

How is someone so depressed to the point they're suicidal in a fit state to make a decision that could impact the rest of their life?

I wonder what type of home or facility this teen will be placed in? Will it be in a home with other teens and kids with serous issues, criminal records, violent, addicts... will it be with people who will only reinforce the pathway and not question it? Who is looking out for this teen - and I can tell you, it’s people who pack up and go home to their own families at the end of the day.

How is someone so depressed to the point they're suicidal in a fit state to make a decision that could impact the rest of their life?

They can't. Simple as that really. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with people to think transing depressed kids is ok. It's important to get to the root of the problem. It may be that after assessment and therapy the right decision is to tranistion. But it's more likely that it isn't the right decision. What kind of people think this heavy handed approach with a strong likelihood of a very poor outcome is acceptable? Surely the starting place is to do no harm. This is government sanctioned child abuse on a huge scale.

Surely if a child is suicidal they need psychiatric support?

Excellent point

Even an adult who is suicidal should be discouraged from making major life changing decisions, such as divorce, moving house, changing job etc. while in the middle of a serious mental health crisis.

When I was (wrongly) diagnosed with delusional disorder (I do have PTSD) I attended various charities providing support for vulnerable people and met many people who were very mentally unwell and who were "transitioning".

It's a disgrace.

Also, people should be aware that the promoters of Qanon and various other conspiracy theories also promote the conspiracy that the state is stealing / kidnapping children from their loving parents via interventions from evil Social Services. The Save / the our Children recent protests are an example of this.

The scandalous events in the OP could arguably be used, and probably will be used, by conspiracy theorists to give credence to their claims

hoodathunkit same here. I had a diagnosis of PTSD and was in a pretty bad way. I could only see that my way was the right way. After considerable pressure to see a counselor (I didn't want to, but I did) I can honestly say it was the best thing I ever did. Things became so much clearer and I was able to face my difficulties in a far more level headed and less destructive (to myself) manner. Why on earth wouldn't we take this harmless route first rather than immediately opting for serious and harmful surgery.

Because suicidal teens are absolutely in the best place to make life altering decisions for themselves 🙄 When on earth did tolerance tip over into this mess? How have a miniscule number of weird men with disturbing fetishes managed to have such a dramatic effect on laws, businesses etc? To the point that a governments are not only condoning child abuse but facilitating it?

The article states this child "struggled with social skills" and had a "difficult start to puberty". There is a strong link between autism and the desire to transition, and as we all know girls with ASD are hopelessly mis- or under-diagnosed. People with ASD often struggle with change, and especially the enormous physical and emotional transition that is puberty.

People with autism generally have an emotional age two thirds of their chronological age, and often have great difficulty identifying and expressing their own feelings. They also show a markedly poorer ability to predict future outcomes, both for themselves and others.

Has any effort whatsoever been made to assess this child for underlying neurological disorders? Because otherwise, we could potentially have someone here who has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old being removed from their parents and allowed to make life-altering decisions on their future fertility and physical health when they are incapable of picturing the consequences of those actions.

Appalling.

RedToothbrush, I know it’s Australia. Australia has signed up to seven international conventions on family and child rights, and taking this child away from its parents and injecting it with puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, causing long term health damage, is very definitely NOT in its best interests, as required by the aforementioned international conventions!

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...

By which time she has no one left

How can this be happening?

How can removing the child into care be of any benefit to the child?

IT reminds me of the satanic abuse scandals where children were removed from their families, this is so wrong.

@Whatwouldscullydo

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...

By which time she has no one left

This is very very scary. What will she do, where will she go? Who will look after her?

I didn't see any mention of where this exactly happened. The article quoted a University Dean from Queensland, did this happen there? Because I know this happened in West Australia too in the last 24 months. Things like this do not receive enough sunlight.

Long term.plans usually require support systems don't they? So out of foster care/care home, cant go home to oarebtsbshes now been told are evil and unsupported, and good luck being in any place to get a job with all mental health issues still untreated... gonna pay for the meds and surgery to finish the job or what?

Reminds me a bit of the whole nestle thing. Convince the mothers formula is safer when they have no money to pay fir it or clean water to make it with, and by the time they realise its a bad idea the breast milk has dried up...

Worked out great didnt it

@Whatwouldscullydo

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...

By which time she has no one left

Oh god yes of course. The only people around will be those who probably aren’t the best ones to have around a confused young adult.

One that potentially hasn't fully gone through puberty therefore is mentally way behind their peers....no problems with that though right

Just how do they think this is the best thing for her.

Life in care - sounds bloody scary. I’m sure it’s not the roses and lollipops they think it will be.

What a mess, very depressing read. The parents request sounds reasonable, 15 years is too young for such a life changing decision

This case was being discussed on RT today and one of those invited on, who was arguing that a 14/15 your old does have capacity to make these decisions, was Stephanie Hayden.

Murdoch Children's Research Institute (Australia) found that approx. 50,% of trans Australian teens suffer from depression. This improves drastically with supportive care.

Denying a child access to that care in that case COULD be deemed abusive. The child was taken away from the family several months ago at 15, therefore will be nearing the age of 16. Medical intervention has yet to start.

If 16 is an acceptable age for sexual maturity (hence the age of consent) ergo, 16 is the age for body autonomy.

I wonder what state this child is in: both the ACT and Queensland banned "conversion therapy", i.e., anything other than affirmation. The ACT pushed their laws through about a week before parliament broke up for an election without any public discussion, and made it a criminal offence to take a child out of the Territory for such therapy.

All I can say is there are going to be some very unhappy young adults in a few years time.