Eton sacks teacher for lecture on 'current radical feminist orthodoxy'

[stumbledin]

I cant make any sense of this story as reported in the Daily Mail, and the version in the Telegraph is behind a paywall.

Quote from DM:

The class was for older students taking the Perspectives module, where they are told to critique topics of public debate.

Eton has been accused of 'prioritising emotional safety over intellectual challenge' after banning the lesson.

'The head master felt that some of the ideas put forward in my lecture – such as the view that men and women differ psychologically and not all of those differences are socially constructed – were too dangerous for the boys to be exposed to.

'I explained to the head master that I wasn't endorsing all the ideas in my lecture, but I wanted the boys to be made aware of a different point of view to the current radical feminist orthodoxy, which insists that there's something fundamentally toxic about masculinity.

'In my lecture, I pointed out that, historically, masculine qualities like strength, courage and tenacity have often been as beneficial to women as they have been to men.'

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Anyhow, there are so many elements to this, posh school, cant they manage a debate, but then it turns out it isn't a debate but a man saying women (feminists) are being unfair to men.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8991981/Eton-College-SACKS-English-master-producing-lecture-questioned-radical-feminist-orthodoxy.html

The link to the Telegraph article is in the DM one, and today they are saying local MP is urging Eton not to let woke outsiders influence them.

There was something on Twitter tonight, which I couldn't understand. It must have been alluding to this

Has said lecturer been YouTubing JP?

I saw this and couldn’t understand it either- thanks for posting. Something very odd is going on with this story.

When I think of boys at Eton I tend to think of the likes of Prince William or Boris Johnson and struggle to imagine any of them in danger of having their heads turned by radical feminism.

This could be bias on my part and perhaps the young men of Eton are worlds away from those of previous decades?

Have found the video and it is actually 2 months old.

"I currently work at Eton College, but the statements and opinions on this channel are not necessarily agreed or authorised by Eton College or its subsidiary companies. And because of the nature of interpretation and discussion in English literature, the statements and opinions aren't necessarily my own either."
www.youtube.com/channel/UCHDdgIb3r-uK9tF9L2F-KJA/about?disable_polymer=1

I think I'm a feminist (an ignorant one) and I can see the patriarchy. I do NOT automatically 'rubbish' men. My dad, my uncles, my brothers, my cousins, my husband....all male, all people I love. I have worked with some amazing men over the 40 odd years of my working life. I have male friends who are wonderful. I believe that men are people too; like women, some are great, some are friendly, some are trustworthy, some are awful, and whatever your sex you are human.

I have however been raped a number of times, had god knows how much unwanted attention from men since I was about 11 (back in the 60s); that's a long time, and a lot of people, there are bound to be a few 'bad apples'; nevertheless, the distinct possibility of rape does tend to govern how one responds to men and to situations which are new and unknown.

This does NOT mean that I view all men as rapists, as I know beyond doubt that that is not true, quite the opposite - I believe most men are not.

I can't tell upon first meeting, or when alone with a male stranger in a train carriage for instance, whether that particular man is one I am safe with. I will assume I am safe, unless and until he gives off cues which make me feel unsure and uncomfortable. I have mostly been able to get out of that sort of situation without incident (obviously not every time).

I find it annoying, if not downright offensive, to be told that feminism 'rubbishes' men, all men. I say bollocks!

Jesus. For a start, gestating, bearing and raising young children is the human feat I think needs the most ‘strength and tenacity’ in modern life.

It’s just like with JP and his ‘the feminine is chaos’ .... do you LIVE IN the ACTUAL WORLD???? Every where I look it’s women organising, women planning, women doing all the talking and communicating and orchestrating for every bloody bit of boring extended family life that keeps, more than any bloody showboating about wars and territories, the human race in existence. We’re like bloody ants, chuck us down on a patch of earth and we just regroup and get on with it. I bet right now women across the western world women are organising Christmas, liaising with relatives and in laws, negotiating with children as to what they have to learn/follow/achieve for santa to appear, making sure the kids have what they need to learn, sorting the teachers bloody presents, making sure poor aunty Mary/uncle Geoffrey is alive and has meds and food and company, sending out cards that operate to keep us all in a communicative community, washing, feeding, getting more food. I honestly look at half the men I grew up with and think they would perfectly happily be foraging in the forest feeding off the odd rat without being cajoled/nagged/pressganged into action by us. Which is absolutely fine, but don’t then look up from your cold salted beef and try and intone ‘oh, the feminine is chaos, surely’. Like it or not, WE ARE THE ANTITHESIS OF CHAOS.

And breathe.

Yeah, I don't get it, there's something missing in this story, decidedly fishy.

Since when are courage and tenacity masculine traits?

@Searchesforhipbones

And breathe.

You're right though.

The first time I heard feminine is chaos, male is logic I thought "Do you know any people?"

I could give countless examples to prove the opposite is true. However I do this we're all a mix of both, its human nature innit.

Also masculinity isn't toxic, toxic masculinity is a completely seperate thing. How hard is it for them to understand this concept?

There isn't a round-of-applause emoji, otherwise I'd give one to Searchesforhipbones. It's so bloody unfair, isn't it? I think men don't even see the work women do a lot of the time.

Misrepresenting the concept of toxic masculinity as meanzing “masculinity is toxic” is the same logic fail as thinking that accepting the concept of white or male privilege existing by means claiming all white men are privileged. It comes across as a deliberate obfuscation to make misogyny appear reasonable, to my eyes.

Hmmmm sounds a bit weird. More like an MRA person wanting to tell the boys that feminism is bad and NAMALT.

The idea that the radical feminist position is mainstream is pretty laughable. Feminists are generally treated like shit by society. I think the boys might be okay without hearing this particular lecture.

I also suspect that there were other reasons for him losing his job beyond wanting to teach a lesson that disses feminism.

I was trying to find out any updated info about this, and other than the pupils saying the school is institutionally bullying the teacher not much else.

But, it turns out there was a news story the day before about Eton, which it could be said the school would want to distract people's attention from. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-55078381

He was due to give the speech to the students, when the school found out about it then said no and asked him to remove the video from YouTube. He refused so was found guilty of gross misconduct.

Free speech union have taken up the call as poor man being shut up.

Free speech isn’t free from consequences.

Eton in particular can not be seen to be supporting the men are better line.

I did like the bit about transgender though. But the rest was just frustrating, 90% of invention by men (yes because women weren’t allowed to), women are shown to have more fear (wonder why!) and the finest - some feminists said paeodophilia and incest should be legalised so it shows we all can’t be trusted and should welcome men protecting us!

@RoyalCorgi

There isn't a round-of-applause emoji, otherwise I'd give one to Searchesforhipbones. It's so bloody unfair, isn't it? I think men don't even see the work women do a lot of the time.

Aw thank you

[quote stumbledin]I was trying to find out any updated info about this, and other than the pupils saying the school is institutionally bullying the teacher not much else.

But, it turns out there was a news story the day before about Eton, which it could be said the school would want to distract people's attention from. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-55078381[/quote]
Horrible and he’s not the first.

The video is vile. Really awful shite. I think the anti-woman rhetoric is matched only by the homophobia. And the ridiculous references.....Lions is right up there with clownfish. Oh, and the movie clips.

Women are human beings. So glad this man is no longer able to peddle this shit anywhere but YouTube. And so appalled that people actually think free speech means no accountability for what you say.

I haven't listed to the video and thought I wouldn't bother. So glad I didn't.

But I think is the problem with how the issue was presented in the Mail article.

At first it look like he was setting out some of the MRA arguements and expected his students to be able to argue against it. But then later on it became clear this was about him using his position to promote his views.

So has little to do with encouraging genuine debate.

But not at all surprised it has been taken up by so many, because as always the women must be in the wrong.

I see JfM are very, very upset.

He sounds awful. Typical MRA bullshit. You can see it from that photo of him in the article too. He looks the type and hates women and is angry that we’re not all chained to the kitchen anymore. I’d also be really pissed off if I paid 40k a year for my kid to attend the top school in the country and someone like this was teaching. In his PowerPoint presentation, he sounds really really thick.

Also, it’s NOT true that traditional sex roles are more pronounced in societies with more equality. In Scandinavia, there is greater female representation in traditionally male jobs like law and politics than in many other countries. Men also do more by way of childcare than they do in this country. This dude has just copied some shit he heard on a Jordan Peterson video and pretended it’s gospel. Idiot and I am glad he got fired for this offensive rubbish.

Since when are courage and tenacity masculine traits?

I needed a shed load of both to birth 2 children